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<blockquote data-quote="Grayn" data-source="post: 6148480" data-attributes="member: 6705164"><p>I have a rogue that's performance has been lackluster. I admittedly went heavy dexterity, so overall damage has been weak due to a low strength modifier. I had an idea to get an animal companion to serve as a flanking buddy and started to look at the <a href="http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/core-classes/barbarian/archetypes/paizo---barbarian-archetypes/mad-dog" target="_blank">Mad Dog Barbarian archtype</a>. This allows one level dip into barbarian to get the companion.</p><p></p><p>The dip into barbarian also provides for rage (at Barbarian 4). Now, rage+sneak attack(flanking)+companion sounds like a pretty tidy way to shore up some lagging damage for a dex-based skill monkey rogue (not too mention the lvl 2 Pact Tactics boost!). </p><p></p><p>Of course, this brings up "Can you rage and sneak attack at the same time?". I have been combing through the rules and official forums; where there is all sorts of discussion. Ultimately, there is no rule that says you can not do this, but, there is a lot of opinion. The rules for Rage are fairly specific, but is still a bit vague (<span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">While in rage, a barbarian cannot use any </span><a href="http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/gettingStarted.html#_charisma-new" target="_blank">Charisma</a><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">-,</span><a href="http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/gettingStarted.html#_dexterity" target="_blank">Dexterity</a><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">-, or </span><a href="http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/gettingStarted.html#_intelligence" target="_blank">Intelligence</a><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">-based skills (except </span><a href="http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/skills/acrobatics.html#_acrobatics" target="_blank">Acrobatics</a><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">, </span><a href="http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/skills/fly.html#_fly" target="_blank">Fly</a><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">, </span><a href="http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/skills/intimidate.html#_intimidate" target="_blank">Intimidate</a><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">, and </span><a href="http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/skills/ride.html#_ride" target="_blank">Ride</a><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">) <em>or <strong>any ability that requires patience or concentration</strong>.)</em></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><em></em></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><em></em></span><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">A two level dip into barbarian seems to reasonable, but what about taking four levels for rage?</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Whats your opinion? Does the rogue's sneak attack require patience or concentration and not compatible with rage? Or, since it is not specifically prohibited in the rules, this is an allowable combination?</span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Grayn, post: 6148480, member: 6705164"] I have a rogue that's performance has been lackluster. I admittedly went heavy dexterity, so overall damage has been weak due to a low strength modifier. I had an idea to get an animal companion to serve as a flanking buddy and started to look at the [URL="http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/core-classes/barbarian/archetypes/paizo---barbarian-archetypes/mad-dog"]Mad Dog Barbarian archtype[/URL]. This allows one level dip into barbarian to get the companion. The dip into barbarian also provides for rage (at Barbarian 4). Now, rage+sneak attack(flanking)+companion sounds like a pretty tidy way to shore up some lagging damage for a dex-based skill monkey rogue (not too mention the lvl 2 Pact Tactics boost!). Of course, this brings up "Can you rage and sneak attack at the same time?". I have been combing through the rules and official forums; where there is all sorts of discussion. Ultimately, there is no rule that says you can not do this, but, there is a lot of opinion. The rules for Rage are fairly specific, but is still a bit vague ([FONT=Verdana]While in rage, a barbarian cannot use any [/FONT][URL="http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/gettingStarted.html#_charisma-new"]Charisma[/URL][FONT=Verdana]-,[/FONT][URL="http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/gettingStarted.html#_dexterity"]Dexterity[/URL][FONT=Verdana]-, or [/FONT][URL="http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/gettingStarted.html#_intelligence"]Intelligence[/URL][FONT=Verdana]-based skills (except [/FONT][URL="http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/skills/acrobatics.html#_acrobatics"]Acrobatics[/URL][FONT=Verdana], [/FONT][URL="http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/skills/fly.html#_fly"]Fly[/URL][FONT=Verdana], [/FONT][URL="http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/skills/intimidate.html#_intimidate"]Intimidate[/URL][FONT=Verdana], and [/FONT][URL="http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/skills/ride.html#_ride"]Ride[/URL][FONT=Verdana]) [I]or [B]any ability that requires patience or concentration[/B].) [/I][/FONT][FONT=Verdana]A two level dip into barbarian seems to reasonable, but what about taking four levels for rage? Whats your opinion? Does the rogue's sneak attack require patience or concentration and not compatible with rage? Or, since it is not specifically prohibited in the rules, this is an allowable combination?[/FONT] [/QUOTE]
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