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<blockquote data-quote="Doug McCrae" data-source="post: 5047226" data-attributes="member: 21169"><p>When I was raiding it would take an evening, 3-5 hours and we'd do as much as we could in that time. So if we kill a boss quickly we go on to another and keep going. When I started, raiding meant getting 40 people together (nowadays it's 25 - a very good change), which is a major logistical problem, so you want to make it worthwhile.</p><p></p><p>There have always been single boss dungeons, such as Onyxia, who can be killed quickly once you have them on farm, and raid dungeons with around a dozen bosses - Molten Core, Blackwing Lair, Naxxramas - which take a lot longer. One can usually get them down to an evening eventually, but they take much longer than that at first. It normally takes many wipes to learn each boss. For example one could have the first 5 bosses in a dungeon on farm, be able to kill them in a couple of hours, then spend the next 3 evenings trying and failing to kill the 6th boss.</p><p></p><p>5-man dungeons are a lot quicker, about 1-2 hours, if everything goes according to plan. The new 5-man dungeons in the expansions are faster than the old ones used to be. They are a bit smaller, with less trash.</p><p></p><p>Obviously things often don't go according to plan. If you're pugging, the first difficulty is always finding a healer or healers (one for 5-man, more for raids), which can take a loooong time.</p><p></p><p>I've experienced a great many wipes and screw ups in my time playing WoW. I've personally caused a 40-man raid to wipe on at least one occasion to my knowledge by straying too near to a 2nd boss while we were fighting a first. Even simple stuff like one party member not being able to find the dungeon. Party members leaving or DCing (disconnecting). Ninjas (people who steal loot). And, ofc, the wipes. I've spent whole evenings wiping on Onyxia, even once we thought we had her on farm. The same for Vaelastrasz, the second boss in Blackwing Lair. The latter is particularly notorious because a single mistake from one person can wipe the raid. Most bosses aren't as bad as this, in my experience.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Doug McCrae, post: 5047226, member: 21169"] When I was raiding it would take an evening, 3-5 hours and we'd do as much as we could in that time. So if we kill a boss quickly we go on to another and keep going. When I started, raiding meant getting 40 people together (nowadays it's 25 - a very good change), which is a major logistical problem, so you want to make it worthwhile. There have always been single boss dungeons, such as Onyxia, who can be killed quickly once you have them on farm, and raid dungeons with around a dozen bosses - Molten Core, Blackwing Lair, Naxxramas - which take a lot longer. One can usually get them down to an evening eventually, but they take much longer than that at first. It normally takes many wipes to learn each boss. For example one could have the first 5 bosses in a dungeon on farm, be able to kill them in a couple of hours, then spend the next 3 evenings trying and failing to kill the 6th boss. 5-man dungeons are a lot quicker, about 1-2 hours, if everything goes according to plan. The new 5-man dungeons in the expansions are faster than the old ones used to be. They are a bit smaller, with less trash. Obviously things often don't go according to plan. If you're pugging, the first difficulty is always finding a healer or healers (one for 5-man, more for raids), which can take a loooong time. I've experienced a great many wipes and screw ups in my time playing WoW. I've personally caused a 40-man raid to wipe on at least one occasion to my knowledge by straying too near to a 2nd boss while we were fighting a first. Even simple stuff like one party member not being able to find the dungeon. Party members leaving or DCing (disconnecting). Ninjas (people who steal loot). And, ofc, the wipes. I've spent whole evenings wiping on Onyxia, even once we thought we had her on farm. The same for Vaelastrasz, the second boss in Blackwing Lair. The latter is particularly notorious because a single mistake from one person can wipe the raid. Most bosses aren't as bad as this, in my experience. [/QUOTE]
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