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<blockquote data-quote="CapnZapp" data-source="post: 7526205" data-attributes="member: 12731"><p>You can't be serious. Who in their right mind thinks it a good idea to spend precious resources just to turn an impossible save into a save you can make, let alone a probable one?</p><p></p><p><em>Nobody.</em> </p><p></p><p>Saying you can spend resources to turn your +0 bonus into a +4 bonus, so you can make that DC 23 roll (if you roll 19 or better)... </p><p></p><p>Talk about missing the point. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite3" alt=":(" title="Frown :(" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":(" /></p><p></p><p></p><p>If it has eluded you then let me be clear: impossible saves are <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite3" alt=":(" title="Frown :(" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":(" /><img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite3" alt=":(" title="Frown :(" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":(" /><img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite3" alt=":(" title="Frown :(" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":(" /><img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite3" alt=":(" title="Frown :(" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":(" /><img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite3" alt=":(" title="Frown :(" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":(" /> bad design and should never have slipped thru QA. Unreasonable? How about indefensible?</p><p></p><p>The only question here is why you keep denying this, defending the indefensible.</p><p></p><p>Had you said something along the lines of "no big deal, only affects few games, not worth fixing" that would be one thing. That would acknowledge the basic point. "yes, it's ugly, but remember WotC had other things on their mind". Had you said this, there would not have been a discussion.</p><p></p><p>But you do not seem to even comprehend the basic inelegance here. </p><p></p><p></p><p>No it's not. It's horrendous. </p><p></p><p></p><p>You still argue as if I'm saying no saves should be hard, which remains patently false. Just as long as the save is not impossible, I'm good. I'm even good with having a 8 sending you over the edge, that -1 modifier making the save no longer possible. I said so, in fact.</p><p></p><p>But characters will always have +0 modifiers. The game should thus naively not break DC 20 for saves. Or, more reasonably, it can, but then also ensure tier IV characters saves rise at the minimum pace needed.</p><p></p><p>Or, more generally, state you can use your proficiency bonus in place of your ability bonus (just one suggestion; am open other other solutions). Do note that this hardly helps when you add bonuses. If your bonus is +1 and the Paladin gives you +5, that is still only equal to the +6 you get from proficiency. It's not that anyone is saying the bonuses get to be on top of the minimum save from proficiency. So this does not make fights easier. All it does is remove a stain on the game's design. </p><p></p><p>There isn't an argument in your list that depends on the save being literally impossible. Fights being "tough, assymetrical, and harder to strategize"? Still eminently possible even if saves are makeable.</p><p></p><p>I think that seals the deal. You try one more ridiculous argument than the next. I asked you to stop making this out to be a choice between two extremes (impossible or easy saves) and you didn't. You've decided you don't want to see the obvious. We're done.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="CapnZapp, post: 7526205, member: 12731"] You can't be serious. Who in their right mind thinks it a good idea to spend precious resources just to turn an impossible save into a save you can make, let alone a probable one? [I]Nobody.[/I] Saying you can spend resources to turn your +0 bonus into a +4 bonus, so you can make that DC 23 roll (if you roll 19 or better)... Talk about missing the point. :( If it has eluded you then let me be clear: impossible saves are :(:(:(:(:( bad design and should never have slipped thru QA. Unreasonable? How about indefensible? The only question here is why you keep denying this, defending the indefensible. Had you said something along the lines of "no big deal, only affects few games, not worth fixing" that would be one thing. That would acknowledge the basic point. "yes, it's ugly, but remember WotC had other things on their mind". Had you said this, there would not have been a discussion. But you do not seem to even comprehend the basic inelegance here. No it's not. It's horrendous. You still argue as if I'm saying no saves should be hard, which remains patently false. Just as long as the save is not impossible, I'm good. I'm even good with having a 8 sending you over the edge, that -1 modifier making the save no longer possible. I said so, in fact. But characters will always have +0 modifiers. The game should thus naively not break DC 20 for saves. Or, more reasonably, it can, but then also ensure tier IV characters saves rise at the minimum pace needed. Or, more generally, state you can use your proficiency bonus in place of your ability bonus (just one suggestion; am open other other solutions). Do note that this hardly helps when you add bonuses. If your bonus is +1 and the Paladin gives you +5, that is still only equal to the +6 you get from proficiency. It's not that anyone is saying the bonuses get to be on top of the minimum save from proficiency. So this does not make fights easier. All it does is remove a stain on the game's design. There isn't an argument in your list that depends on the save being literally impossible. Fights being "tough, assymetrical, and harder to strategize"? Still eminently possible even if saves are makeable. I think that seals the deal. You try one more ridiculous argument than the next. I asked you to stop making this out to be a choice between two extremes (impossible or easy saves) and you didn't. You've decided you don't want to see the obvious. We're done. [/QUOTE]
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