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<blockquote data-quote="DreamChaser" data-source="post: 3982780" data-attributes="member: 1190"><p>No, that is the historical origin of the word "bard" which has no bearing on its role in the game. </p><p></p><p>Similarly, the historical origin of "cleric" ...</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>...does not directly relate to the heavily armored holy warrior the class represents. Templar or knight most closely resembles what the class is but that has no bearing on the chosen name or the abilities of the class.</p><p></p><p>The bard class is most closely based upon the English scops and minstrels, French troubadours and jongleurs, and German minnesingers. By the time the term "bard" was applied to the concept within Scotland and Ireland (first recorded in 1449), troubadours had been doing their thing for 400 years.</p><p></p><p>The Celtic / druidic concept of the bard, as recorded I might add by Roman observers, are shrouded in mystery because we really know nothing of them due largely to an almost entirely oral culture and the extent of the cultural bleeding and assimilation that occurred during the spread of Christianity through the Gaelic lands. Moreover, the druids, bards, and vates (ovates) were not terribly forthcoming with their Roman interviewers, being a largely secret order.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Because we have no real way to know if the D&D druid is similar in concept or feel to the historical druid (though we can make some educated guesses that it is not), tying the bard to it more closely out of some sense of historicity seems misguided to me.</p><p></p><p>*shrug* History aside, choosing to go with a "savage bard" concept like from UA is cool and can add in some additional "bite" to the class, taking it out of the throne room so to speak. Scops and skalds would fit well into this category without any artificial link to druidism.</p><p></p><p>DC</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="DreamChaser, post: 3982780, member: 1190"] No, that is the historical origin of the word "bard" which has no bearing on its role in the game. Similarly, the historical origin of "cleric" ... ...does not directly relate to the heavily armored holy warrior the class represents. Templar or knight most closely resembles what the class is but that has no bearing on the chosen name or the abilities of the class. The bard class is most closely based upon the English scops and minstrels, French troubadours and jongleurs, and German minnesingers. By the time the term "bard" was applied to the concept within Scotland and Ireland (first recorded in 1449), troubadours had been doing their thing for 400 years. The Celtic / druidic concept of the bard, as recorded I might add by Roman observers, are shrouded in mystery because we really know nothing of them due largely to an almost entirely oral culture and the extent of the cultural bleeding and assimilation that occurred during the spread of Christianity through the Gaelic lands. Moreover, the druids, bards, and vates (ovates) were not terribly forthcoming with their Roman interviewers, being a largely secret order. Because we have no real way to know if the D&D druid is similar in concept or feel to the historical druid (though we can make some educated guesses that it is not), tying the bard to it more closely out of some sense of historicity seems misguided to me. *shrug* History aside, choosing to go with a "savage bard" concept like from UA is cool and can add in some additional "bite" to the class, taking it out of the throne room so to speak. Scops and skalds would fit well into this category without any artificial link to druidism. DC [/QUOTE]
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