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<blockquote data-quote="Graf" data-source="post: 4280531" data-attributes="member: 3087"><p>I think it'd be very reasonable for Phillian to have invited Immeral over to talk. At least in the back story I had written up I'd imagined that Phillian liked to 1) speak elvin and 2) talk about arcane matters.</p><p></p><p>You'd make a great dinner companion on those grounds. Or even if you wouldn't he might feel compelled to invite you over as a matter of politeness (or because he's supposed to guard the town, and Norsten would expect him to know about other elves).</p><p></p><p>I think we won't get an official opinion on Phillian elf OR eladrin until Redclaw gets the books. Personally I could see him being an eladrin (matches the educated and arcane racial fluff) and just swapping feystep for elvin precision.</p><p></p><p>*********************</p><p></p><p>I may be underestimating the amount of control a ranger can get. I've really only seen the class in terms of the pregen. </p><p></p><p>Having said that... feystep isn't really as awesome as people seem to think. You spend a move and.... you move five squares. If you follow that up with another move then it's good, but it's not the "make me safe" effect that I think people think it is.</p><p>Most monsters can charge 6. Or shift-charge 7, or move-charge 12.</p><p>I've seen at least one eladrin ranger who was in a tricky spot teleport 5 squares away, decide "OK, I'm safe now" turn around and start shooting and... get mobbed a second later when the monsters were all over them again. No more feystep, the defender is now 8 squares away and tied down with other monsters (much harder to help).</p><p>The whole group then has to try to move out of position to help the striker (who is probably already dead anyway)</p><p>I guess what I'm saying is that strikers who think they can solo and think "I don't need defenders" can sometimes open up "second fronts". As an adventuring party with one defender (and one leader) I think that we don't want to be fighting on too many fronts.</p><p>Obviously as the wizard, hypothetically I can try to lock down the front. (Use a daily to turn everything into difficult terrain and hope the ranger can work their way out of it before the monsters do).</p><p>it'd be fun to try <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p>Ranged strikers who actually play as strikers, (i.e. stick 10 squares away and prioritize positioning) -may- be a different story. By prioritize positioning I mean keep the defenders between them and the monsters, sacrifice an attack action when necessary to make sure they're staying out of melee, understand that if they're hurt and within charging distance the monsters -will- come after them, etc. are different.</p><p>I -haven't- seen anyone who was really willing to play that way yet (though it's early days of course).</p><p>If I were you I'd basically always be concealed too (at least in the wilderness). Just hang out in woodland or obscured squares, shoot, shift and you can make a stealth check for free.</p><p></p><p>Just my two cents. I'm hardly the expert.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Graf, post: 4280531, member: 3087"] I think it'd be very reasonable for Phillian to have invited Immeral over to talk. At least in the back story I had written up I'd imagined that Phillian liked to 1) speak elvin and 2) talk about arcane matters. You'd make a great dinner companion on those grounds. Or even if you wouldn't he might feel compelled to invite you over as a matter of politeness (or because he's supposed to guard the town, and Norsten would expect him to know about other elves). I think we won't get an official opinion on Phillian elf OR eladrin until Redclaw gets the books. Personally I could see him being an eladrin (matches the educated and arcane racial fluff) and just swapping feystep for elvin precision. ********************* I may be underestimating the amount of control a ranger can get. I've really only seen the class in terms of the pregen. Having said that... feystep isn't really as awesome as people seem to think. You spend a move and.... you move five squares. If you follow that up with another move then it's good, but it's not the "make me safe" effect that I think people think it is. Most monsters can charge 6. Or shift-charge 7, or move-charge 12. I've seen at least one eladrin ranger who was in a tricky spot teleport 5 squares away, decide "OK, I'm safe now" turn around and start shooting and... get mobbed a second later when the monsters were all over them again. No more feystep, the defender is now 8 squares away and tied down with other monsters (much harder to help). The whole group then has to try to move out of position to help the striker (who is probably already dead anyway) I guess what I'm saying is that strikers who think they can solo and think "I don't need defenders" can sometimes open up "second fronts". As an adventuring party with one defender (and one leader) I think that we don't want to be fighting on too many fronts. Obviously as the wizard, hypothetically I can try to lock down the front. (Use a daily to turn everything into difficult terrain and hope the ranger can work their way out of it before the monsters do). it'd be fun to try :) Ranged strikers who actually play as strikers, (i.e. stick 10 squares away and prioritize positioning) -may- be a different story. By prioritize positioning I mean keep the defenders between them and the monsters, sacrifice an attack action when necessary to make sure they're staying out of melee, understand that if they're hurt and within charging distance the monsters -will- come after them, etc. are different. I -haven't- seen anyone who was really willing to play that way yet (though it's early days of course). If I were you I'd basically always be concealed too (at least in the wilderness). Just hang out in woodland or obscured squares, shoot, shift and you can make a stealth check for free. Just my two cents. I'm hardly the expert. [/QUOTE]
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