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<blockquote data-quote="Neonchameleon" data-source="post: 6785682" data-attributes="member: 87792"><p>Lobby. For literally a thousand years. Trade favours. Make speeches. Run campaigns. Set examples. Make sure that Jedi territory is a place where any slave that sets foot becomes free.</p><p></p><p>The Jedi are as portrayed bound up in the power-politics of the Republic. And that gives them weight -especially when taking moral decisions that technically go against their best interests.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Which doesn't mean I'd want them taught the way Anakin was. I'd also want to keep my kid. Now it's entirely possible that the Jedi have "lay bretheren" who are trained, force sensitive, and not monks and live with their families to build on existing <em>positive</em> emotional connections. And it's possible that there are Jedi tutors who look after these people and the young Jedi at the monastry are all either Orphans or on the equivalent of Summer Camp. But I've never seen this implied anywhere (and the implication that it doesn't happen is fairly strong).</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Which the Jedi appear to be terrible at. "Fear is the path to the dark side" is <em>not</em> a way of controlling your fears - it's a way of intensifying them. "You should be afraid of your own fear." The methods shown by the Jedi in the films don't work.</p><p></p><p>But then if we're going by EU canon the Jedi Code almost reversed itself. The initial and less toxic version was:</p><p><DD style="MARGIN-LEFT: 40px" data-cke-expando="90"><em>Emotion, yet peace.</em> </DD><DD style="MARGIN-LEFT: 40px" data-cke-expando="92"><em>Ignorance, yet knowledge.</em> </DD><DD style="MARGIN-LEFT: 40px" data-cke-expando="94"><em>Passion, yet serenity.</em> </DD><DD style="MARGIN-LEFT: 40px" data-cke-expando="96"><em>Chaos, yet harmony.</em> </DD><DD style="MARGIN-LEFT: 40px" data-cke-expando="98"><em>Death, yet the Force.</em></DD><p style="margin-left: 20px"></p><p>Whereas the final version and the one that matches Anakin's training and Yoda's lack of wisdom is the one that's utterly ignoring of ambiguity:</p><p><DD style="MARGIN-LEFT: 40px" data-cke-expando="103"><em>There is no emotion, there is peace.</em> </DD><DD style="MARGIN-LEFT: 40px" data-cke-expando="105"><em>There is no ignorance, there is knowledge.</em> </DD><DD style="MARGIN-LEFT: 40px" data-cke-expando="107"><em>There is no passion, there is serenity.</em> </DD><DD style="MARGIN-LEFT: 40px" data-cke-expando="109"><em>There is no chaos, there is harmony.</em> </DD><DD style="MARGIN-LEFT: 40px" data-cke-expando="111"><em>There is no death, there is the Force.</em></DD></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Neonchameleon, post: 6785682, member: 87792"] Lobby. For literally a thousand years. Trade favours. Make speeches. Run campaigns. Set examples. Make sure that Jedi territory is a place where any slave that sets foot becomes free. The Jedi are as portrayed bound up in the power-politics of the Republic. And that gives them weight -especially when taking moral decisions that technically go against their best interests. Which doesn't mean I'd want them taught the way Anakin was. I'd also want to keep my kid. Now it's entirely possible that the Jedi have "lay bretheren" who are trained, force sensitive, and not monks and live with their families to build on existing [I]positive[/I] emotional connections. And it's possible that there are Jedi tutors who look after these people and the young Jedi at the monastry are all either Orphans or on the equivalent of Summer Camp. But I've never seen this implied anywhere (and the implication that it doesn't happen is fairly strong). Which the Jedi appear to be terrible at. "Fear is the path to the dark side" is [I]not[/I] a way of controlling your fears - it's a way of intensifying them. "You should be afraid of your own fear." The methods shown by the Jedi in the films don't work. But then if we're going by EU canon the Jedi Code almost reversed itself. The initial and less toxic version was: <DD style="MARGIN-LEFT: 40px" data-cke-expando="90">[I]Emotion, yet peace.[/I] </DD><DD style="MARGIN-LEFT: 40px" data-cke-expando="92">[I]Ignorance, yet knowledge.[/I] </DD><DD style="MARGIN-LEFT: 40px" data-cke-expando="94">[I]Passion, yet serenity.[/I] </DD><DD style="MARGIN-LEFT: 40px" data-cke-expando="96">[I]Chaos, yet harmony.[/I] </DD><DD style="MARGIN-LEFT: 40px" data-cke-expando="98">[I]Death, yet the Force.[/I]</DD>[INDENT][/INDENT] Whereas the final version and the one that matches Anakin's training and Yoda's lack of wisdom is the one that's utterly ignoring of ambiguity: <DD style="MARGIN-LEFT: 40px" data-cke-expando="103">[I]There is no emotion, there is peace.[/I] </DD><DD style="MARGIN-LEFT: 40px" data-cke-expando="105">[I]There is no ignorance, there is knowledge.[/I] </DD><DD style="MARGIN-LEFT: 40px" data-cke-expando="107">[I]There is no passion, there is serenity.[/I] </DD><DD style="MARGIN-LEFT: 40px" data-cke-expando="109">[I]There is no chaos, there is harmony.[/I] </DD><DD style="MARGIN-LEFT: 40px" data-cke-expando="111">[I]There is no death, there is the Force.[/I]</DD> [/QUOTE]
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