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<blockquote data-quote="CapnZapp" data-source="post: 7292963" data-attributes="member: 12731"><p>Saves:</p><p></p><p>The only officially listed DCs higher than 20 are monster's spell save DCs.</p><p></p><p>Unfortunately, the save system wasn't designed to handle this - almost every character will have several save bonuses still at around +0 even at the highest level. </p><p></p><p>And as I said, it is boring to not even succeed when you roll 20. More than boring, actually. I consider this a major flaw in 5E's design. </p><p></p><p>Either every save should top out at DC 20... or character advancement rules should have allowed a character to have a minimum save bonus of +5 or so at level twenty. </p><p></p><p>I'm fine with the option to gimp a save in order to focus on your strengths elsewhere. But that's simply not the case with the rules as written. In order to gain six saves all at +5 or higher you must essentially abandon everything else, and that's just not reasonable.</p><p></p><p>If a L20 character with a +0 save was an exception and not the rule, and furthermore that player chose to build his character that way, then "you can't ever hope to succeed at a DC 23 save with a +0 bonus" would have been okay. You made your choice, now live with it. </p><p></p><p>But a player should not have to do anything in particular to avoid such a fate, and that is simply not what the current rules ends up with.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="CapnZapp, post: 7292963, member: 12731"] Saves: The only officially listed DCs higher than 20 are monster's spell save DCs. Unfortunately, the save system wasn't designed to handle this - almost every character will have several save bonuses still at around +0 even at the highest level. And as I said, it is boring to not even succeed when you roll 20. More than boring, actually. I consider this a major flaw in 5E's design. Either every save should top out at DC 20... or character advancement rules should have allowed a character to have a minimum save bonus of +5 or so at level twenty. I'm fine with the option to gimp a save in order to focus on your strengths elsewhere. But that's simply not the case with the rules as written. In order to gain six saves all at +5 or higher you must essentially abandon everything else, and that's just not reasonable. If a L20 character with a +0 save was an exception and not the rule, and furthermore that player chose to build his character that way, then "you can't ever hope to succeed at a DC 23 save with a +0 bonus" would have been okay. You made your choice, now live with it. But a player should not have to do anything in particular to avoid such a fate, and that is simply not what the current rules ends up with. [/QUOTE]
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