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<blockquote data-quote="Warchild" data-source="post: 54683" data-attributes="member: 769"><p><strong>spellfire blues</strong></p><p></p><p>Well, speaking as a DM that HAD been running a character with the spellfire feat and levels of the prestige class. Don't believe the hype!! The character was dropped by the player because he just couldn't keep up with the other players. I'm serious. And there was no "DM out to get him" stuff either. They were a 12th level party and the dwarven fighter and human fireball,er wizard constantly made fun of him. At that level, let me also tell you that many creatures/npc baddies have either decent ref saves, fire resistance(half of spell fire is fire damage), or decent touch ac's. Let me also say this, imagine a character that has spents feat(s) and invested in several levels of a prestige class that amounts to the ability to cast 4 15D6 fireballs (can anyone say empowered fireball from a 9th or 10th level wizard??? i knew you could), or even 6 10d6, 10 6D6, etc, in which they must make an attack roll, the creature gets a save vs 20(dc doesn't ever go up), and can absorb half the damage if he has fire resistance(do you know how many MM creatures and NPC wizard/clerics have fire/elemental resistance. plenty it turns out).</p><p>So the spellfirer launch its supposedly massive attack, at least one of which odds say misses, 1 or 2 of which usually gets saved or resisted against (for half or even less), and one nails a target either messing it up or at least severly damages the target. Then watch the now fairly useless character jump in the bushes in fear, because the rest of the party isn't going to spend 3-6 rounds in the middle of combat trying to fill him up again!!</p><p></p><p>The feat is over-powered, but often not worth the damn trouble, but the prestige class ends up damn near useless, or laughably less powered than the other equal leveled characters(most definitely WIZARDS, who can do the same, but much much more!!!). Even of you try to twink it out. Which the player actually thought about, then just dropped the character. BTW, This is my WW convert who has no love for combat either!! He just said to me "Hey, look. Not even I am that much a self-sadist!! jeez!"</p><p>In a setting of relatively, um....High powered prestige classes.....this one ain't it!!</p><p></p><p>Whew. Was that rant?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Warchild, post: 54683, member: 769"] [b]spellfire blues[/b] Well, speaking as a DM that HAD been running a character with the spellfire feat and levels of the prestige class. Don't believe the hype!! The character was dropped by the player because he just couldn't keep up with the other players. I'm serious. And there was no "DM out to get him" stuff either. They were a 12th level party and the dwarven fighter and human fireball,er wizard constantly made fun of him. At that level, let me also tell you that many creatures/npc baddies have either decent ref saves, fire resistance(half of spell fire is fire damage), or decent touch ac's. Let me also say this, imagine a character that has spents feat(s) and invested in several levels of a prestige class that amounts to the ability to cast 4 15D6 fireballs (can anyone say empowered fireball from a 9th or 10th level wizard??? i knew you could), or even 6 10d6, 10 6D6, etc, in which they must make an attack roll, the creature gets a save vs 20(dc doesn't ever go up), and can absorb half the damage if he has fire resistance(do you know how many MM creatures and NPC wizard/clerics have fire/elemental resistance. plenty it turns out). So the spellfirer launch its supposedly massive attack, at least one of which odds say misses, 1 or 2 of which usually gets saved or resisted against (for half or even less), and one nails a target either messing it up or at least severly damages the target. Then watch the now fairly useless character jump in the bushes in fear, because the rest of the party isn't going to spend 3-6 rounds in the middle of combat trying to fill him up again!! The feat is over-powered, but often not worth the damn trouble, but the prestige class ends up damn near useless, or laughably less powered than the other equal leveled characters(most definitely WIZARDS, who can do the same, but much much more!!!). Even of you try to twink it out. Which the player actually thought about, then just dropped the character. BTW, This is my WW convert who has no love for combat either!! He just said to me "Hey, look. Not even I am that much a self-sadist!! jeez!" In a setting of relatively, um....High powered prestige classes.....this one ain't it!! Whew. Was that rant? [/QUOTE]
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