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<blockquote data-quote="hamishspence" data-source="post: 4982528" data-attributes="member: 41555"><p>MMIII "fleshraker dinosaur" has a tail attack and is described as a dromaeosaur-type (but then, it also has poison)</p><p> </p><p>Also, in 4th ed, the T. rex analog- fang titan drake in 4E MM2- has a tail attack.</p><p> </p><p>The reason I prefer long reach Huge- is that there is precedent (MM2 Allosaurus- 3.5 updated version)- </p><p> </p><p>and that Short Reach Gargantuan (20 ft space, 15 ft reach), seems a bit on the large side- basically- it assumes the creature is around 50 ft long.</p><p> </p><p>Spinosaurus is Long Reach Gargantuan (20 ft space, 20 ft reach) in the 3.5 update to MM2.</p><p> </p><p>This works well for a 60 ft creature (the upper limit of length estimates)</p><p> </p><p>But doing all the big theropods as Long reach Huge (15 ft space, 15 ft reach- at least with bite) seems to work well with the 45 ft length of most of the biggest theropods.</p><p> </p><p>Plus- weight is a bit of a deciding factor- a 6.5 ton dinosaur just is a bit underweight for gargantuan.</p><p> </p><p>At least for me. </p><p> </p><p>My preferred Hit Dice number for T. rex is 20- it has a lot of precedent- the D&D Expert Handbook version has 20 Hit Dice, the D20 modern version has 20 Hit Dice, and I'm betting the AD&D 2nd ed version had 20 Hit Dice as well- it has legacy value.</p><p> </p><p>To fill out the size list:</p><p> </p><p>Medium- up to 15 ft long</p><p>Large (5 ft reach) around 20 ft long </p><p>Large (10 ft reach) around 30 ft long</p><p>Huge (10 ft reach) around 35 ft long</p><p>Huge (15 ft reach) around 45 ft long</p><p>Gargantuan (15 ft reach) around 50 ft long</p><p>Gargantuan (20 ft reach) around 60 ft long</p><p> </p><p>For an example of a creature that would fit into Gargantuan Short Reach far better than T. rex- <em>Shantungosaurus</em> or <em>Lambeosaurus laticaudus</em>: both are in the 50 ft long- 16 odd tons in weight- so I think they are much better candidates.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="hamishspence, post: 4982528, member: 41555"] MMIII "fleshraker dinosaur" has a tail attack and is described as a dromaeosaur-type (but then, it also has poison) Also, in 4th ed, the T. rex analog- fang titan drake in 4E MM2- has a tail attack. The reason I prefer long reach Huge- is that there is precedent (MM2 Allosaurus- 3.5 updated version)- and that Short Reach Gargantuan (20 ft space, 15 ft reach), seems a bit on the large side- basically- it assumes the creature is around 50 ft long. Spinosaurus is Long Reach Gargantuan (20 ft space, 20 ft reach) in the 3.5 update to MM2. This works well for a 60 ft creature (the upper limit of length estimates) But doing all the big theropods as Long reach Huge (15 ft space, 15 ft reach- at least with bite) seems to work well with the 45 ft length of most of the biggest theropods. Plus- weight is a bit of a deciding factor- a 6.5 ton dinosaur just is a bit underweight for gargantuan. At least for me. My preferred Hit Dice number for T. rex is 20- it has a lot of precedent- the D&D Expert Handbook version has 20 Hit Dice, the D20 modern version has 20 Hit Dice, and I'm betting the AD&D 2nd ed version had 20 Hit Dice as well- it has legacy value. To fill out the size list: Medium- up to 15 ft long Large (5 ft reach) around 20 ft long Large (10 ft reach) around 30 ft long Huge (10 ft reach) around 35 ft long Huge (15 ft reach) around 45 ft long Gargantuan (15 ft reach) around 50 ft long Gargantuan (20 ft reach) around 60 ft long For an example of a creature that would fit into Gargantuan Short Reach far better than T. rex- [I]Shantungosaurus[/I] or [I]Lambeosaurus laticaudus[/I]: both are in the 50 ft long- 16 odd tons in weight- so I think they are much better candidates. [/QUOTE]
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