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<blockquote data-quote="hamishspence" data-source="post: 4987142" data-attributes="member: 41555"><p><strong>Yunnanosaurus</strong></p><p></p><p>I think it's still unclear whether it is a sauropod or a prosauropod (I've seen cases made for both)- still- it makes a good maximum for the bipedal sauropodomorphs.</p><p> </p><p>I'm guessing that if it's not a round number, Reach (in either direction) rounds down- since 15 ft + 50% is 22.5 ft.</p><p> </p><p>80 ft works out well for the original <em>Diplodocus longus</em>. </p><p> </p><p>A larger specimen- maybe <em>Diplodocus hallorum </em>or the largest specimens of <em>Diplodocus carnegii (</em>or, for that matter<em>, Supersaurus)</em> - works well as 30 ft bite, 20 ft body, 60 ft tail.</p><p> </p><p>And the middle-of-the-range size for <em>Amphicoelias fragillimus</em> coincides well with 45 ft bite, 30 ft body, 90 ft tail. </p><p> </p><p>Long-necked sauropods vary a bit in tail-length- the longest-necked (proportionally) such as (<em>Omeisaurus</em>) might need a tail slap as short as its body, and a bite reach twice as long- say, 30 ft bite, 15 ft body, 15 ft tail. Not sure what the mean tail length should be.</p><p> </p><p>The Standard Sauropod build should work out for most- 60 ft specimens like <em>Cetiosaurus</em> as Huge (fits, given the weight the New Walk Museum gives for it's <em>Rutland Dinosaur</em> is around 10 tons, rather than the 27 Wikipedia gives.</p><p> </p><p>The larger <em>Apatosaurus</em> species fit with an 80 ft Gargantuan standard sauropod.</p><p> </p><p>And some of the longest and largest titanosaurs, may reach 120 ft- Colossal sauropod. <em>Argentinosaurus</em> itself is believed to not be as big as the 120 ft mounted specimen would indicate (the mount was based on a lot of speculation, and revised estimates are more like 80-90 ft long), but there are other giant titanosaurs.</p><p> </p><p>Maybe the different sauropod types should be named generically, "Huge Longtail Sauropod, Gargantuan Longtail sauropod" etc- and the species, could be described in the examples:</p><p> </p><p>"This can be used to represent smaller diplodocids- such as <em>Diplodocus longus</em>" etc.</p><p> </p><p>and for ones with odd proportions- this could be put in a mini-statblock- like "<em>Barosaurus</em>: As Gargantuan Longtail (30 ft bite reach, 20 ft space), but with a 40 ft tail slap"</p><p> </p><p>(since Barosaurus is up to 90 ft long and rather heavier than <em>Diplodocus</em>)</p><p> </p><p>Supersaurus is also tricky, size-wise- possibly increase the bite reach and decrease the tail slap range. 40 ft bite, 20 ft Space, 50 ft tail slap seems to be in the right ballpark- given that its maximum length is listed as 112 ft.</p><p> </p><p>Interestingly, when I looked up size-range variations for <em>Apatosaurus</em> and <em>Diplodocus</em>, the maximum for adult <em>Apatosaurus</em>, and the minimum for adult <em>Diplodocus, </em>were both 82 ft.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="hamishspence, post: 4987142, member: 41555"] [b]Yunnanosaurus[/b] I think it's still unclear whether it is a sauropod or a prosauropod (I've seen cases made for both)- still- it makes a good maximum for the bipedal sauropodomorphs. I'm guessing that if it's not a round number, Reach (in either direction) rounds down- since 15 ft + 50% is 22.5 ft. 80 ft works out well for the original [I]Diplodocus longus[/I]. A larger specimen- maybe [I]Diplodocus hallorum [/I]or the largest specimens of [I]Diplodocus carnegii ([/I]or, for that matter[I], Supersaurus)[/I] - works well as 30 ft bite, 20 ft body, 60 ft tail. And the middle-of-the-range size for [I]Amphicoelias fragillimus[/I] coincides well with 45 ft bite, 30 ft body, 90 ft tail. Long-necked sauropods vary a bit in tail-length- the longest-necked (proportionally) such as ([I]Omeisaurus[/I]) might need a tail slap as short as its body, and a bite reach twice as long- say, 30 ft bite, 15 ft body, 15 ft tail. Not sure what the mean tail length should be. The Standard Sauropod build should work out for most- 60 ft specimens like [I]Cetiosaurus[/I] as Huge (fits, given the weight the New Walk Museum gives for it's [I]Rutland Dinosaur[/I] is around 10 tons, rather than the 27 Wikipedia gives. The larger [I]Apatosaurus[/I] species fit with an 80 ft Gargantuan standard sauropod. And some of the longest and largest titanosaurs, may reach 120 ft- Colossal sauropod. [I]Argentinosaurus[/I] itself is believed to not be as big as the 120 ft mounted specimen would indicate (the mount was based on a lot of speculation, and revised estimates are more like 80-90 ft long), but there are other giant titanosaurs. Maybe the different sauropod types should be named generically, "Huge Longtail Sauropod, Gargantuan Longtail sauropod" etc- and the species, could be described in the examples: "This can be used to represent smaller diplodocids- such as [I]Diplodocus longus[/I]" etc. and for ones with odd proportions- this could be put in a mini-statblock- like "[I]Barosaurus[/I]: As Gargantuan Longtail (30 ft bite reach, 20 ft space), but with a 40 ft tail slap" (since Barosaurus is up to 90 ft long and rather heavier than [I]Diplodocus[/I]) Supersaurus is also tricky, size-wise- possibly increase the bite reach and decrease the tail slap range. 40 ft bite, 20 ft Space, 50 ft tail slap seems to be in the right ballpark- given that its maximum length is listed as 112 ft. Interestingly, when I looked up size-range variations for [I]Apatosaurus[/I] and [I]Diplodocus[/I], the maximum for adult [I]Apatosaurus[/I], and the minimum for adult [I]Diplodocus, [/I]were both 82 ft. [/QUOTE]
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