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<blockquote data-quote="SlagMortar" data-source="post: 3538366" data-attributes="member: 24821"><p>Agreed. I've played the "master negotiator" before too, with better results sometimes than other times, and I've admittedly played the foil as well probably more often than I should have. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite9" alt=":eek:" title="Eek! :eek:" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":eek:" /> </p><p></p><p>I'm not worried about cohorts doing that in particular. I'm just saying that stealing spot light time outside of overcoming direct challenges doesn't really have anything to do with the cohort's point buy. Even 25 point buy, you can still make a "master negotiator" cohort that does nothing but inspire courage during combat and it is still worth more than the price of a feat. </p><p>For example, I could play Planus up to Level 7, retire him, and create a level 6 fighter (or cleric) with 10 charisma and the personality of a board and a level 4 human bard cohort (30 oint buy: Str 8, Dex 10, Con 16, Int 10, Wis 8, Cha 18 or 25 point buy: Str 9, Dex 10, Con 16, Int 10, Wis 8, Cha 16), max ranks in all social skills and feats: negotiator, persuasive, and skill focus (Diplomacy). The cohort would be one of the best face characters in LEW (though sense motive is a bit lacking), and still contribute more than 1 feat worth of combat effectiveness to the level 6 fighter, without dying very easily thanks to the 16 Con. Played well, I think this could actually be an interesting and enjoyable combination for the entire party. The 25 point buy doesn't prohibit this combination, but it does make it so that a survivable cohort is not going to have an 18 charisma where as a survivable bard PC might, and will have that extra little edge over the cohort.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="SlagMortar, post: 3538366, member: 24821"] Agreed. I've played the "master negotiator" before too, with better results sometimes than other times, and I've admittedly played the foil as well probably more often than I should have. :o I'm not worried about cohorts doing that in particular. I'm just saying that stealing spot light time outside of overcoming direct challenges doesn't really have anything to do with the cohort's point buy. Even 25 point buy, you can still make a "master negotiator" cohort that does nothing but inspire courage during combat and it is still worth more than the price of a feat. For example, I could play Planus up to Level 7, retire him, and create a level 6 fighter (or cleric) with 10 charisma and the personality of a board and a level 4 human bard cohort (30 oint buy: Str 8, Dex 10, Con 16, Int 10, Wis 8, Cha 18 or 25 point buy: Str 9, Dex 10, Con 16, Int 10, Wis 8, Cha 16), max ranks in all social skills and feats: negotiator, persuasive, and skill focus (Diplomacy). The cohort would be one of the best face characters in LEW (though sense motive is a bit lacking), and still contribute more than 1 feat worth of combat effectiveness to the level 6 fighter, without dying very easily thanks to the 16 Con. Played well, I think this could actually be an interesting and enjoyable combination for the entire party. The 25 point buy doesn't prohibit this combination, but it does make it so that a survivable cohort is not going to have an 18 charisma where as a survivable bard PC might, and will have that extra little edge over the cohort. [/QUOTE]
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