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<blockquote data-quote="Charlaquin" data-source="post: 7527983" data-attributes="member: 6779196"><p>I’m not “lawyering” anything. “You can see in dim light within 60 feet of you as if it were bright light, and in darkness as if it were dim light. You can’t discern color in darkness, only shades of gray.” The most natural reading of that, in my opinion, is that you can see in all darkness as if it were dim light, and you can see in dim light within 60 feet of you as if it were bright light, which means that in a lightless environment, you’d have a 60-foot radius around yourself in which you can see as if it were bright light, and beyond that you can see as if it were dim light.</p><p></p><p>Knowing that the intent is for the “within 60 feet of you” part to apply to the “, and in darkness as if it were dim light” part, it becomes clear that you are meant to be able to see in darkness within 60 feet of you differently than you are meant to see in dim light within 60 feet of you. But it is extremely unclear that that is the intent, which is why I believe my incorrect interpretation to be the most natural one.</p><p></p><p></p><p>That’s what I’ve been saying. And yes, it’s worded that way in all the race entries.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Well, I haven’t read the monster manual cover to cover. I usually just look up whatever stat block I happen to need, and stat blocks don’t specify how Darkvision works. I assumed it worked the same way for monsters as it does for PC races, and the way it’s worded for PC races suggests the interpretation I’ve been defending here.</p><p></p><p></p><p>It doesn’t imply that you see in darkness as bright light, it implies that you see in all darkness as dim light, and that you see in dim light within 60 feet of you as bright light. Since you see in all darkness as dim light, you’d never have darkness within 60 feet of you to treat as bright light, because you’re already treating it as dim light, which you in turn treat as bright light if it is within 60 feet of you.</p><p></p><p>And once more for clarity: I now understand that this interpretation is wrong, but I stand by my assertion that it is the most natural way to read the text of dark vision in the PC race entries.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Charlaquin, post: 7527983, member: 6779196"] I’m not “lawyering” anything. “You can see in dim light within 60 feet of you as if it were bright light, and in darkness as if it were dim light. You can’t discern color in darkness, only shades of gray.” The most natural reading of that, in my opinion, is that you can see in all darkness as if it were dim light, and you can see in dim light within 60 feet of you as if it were bright light, which means that in a lightless environment, you’d have a 60-foot radius around yourself in which you can see as if it were bright light, and beyond that you can see as if it were dim light. Knowing that the intent is for the “within 60 feet of you” part to apply to the “, and in darkness as if it were dim light” part, it becomes clear that you are meant to be able to see in darkness within 60 feet of you differently than you are meant to see in dim light within 60 feet of you. But it is extremely unclear that that is the intent, which is why I believe my incorrect interpretation to be the most natural one. That’s what I’ve been saying. And yes, it’s worded that way in all the race entries. Well, I haven’t read the monster manual cover to cover. I usually just look up whatever stat block I happen to need, and stat blocks don’t specify how Darkvision works. I assumed it worked the same way for monsters as it does for PC races, and the way it’s worded for PC races suggests the interpretation I’ve been defending here. It doesn’t imply that you see in darkness as bright light, it implies that you see in all darkness as dim light, and that you see in dim light within 60 feet of you as bright light. Since you see in all darkness as dim light, you’d never have darkness within 60 feet of you to treat as bright light, because you’re already treating it as dim light, which you in turn treat as bright light if it is within 60 feet of you. And once more for clarity: I now understand that this interpretation is wrong, but I stand by my assertion that it is the most natural way to read the text of dark vision in the PC race entries. [/QUOTE]
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