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<blockquote data-quote="ECMO3" data-source="post: 9256360" data-attributes="member: 7030563"><p>Of course you don't use the PC rules. You couldn't use PC rules because NPCs don't have levels and the PC rules won't work even if you wanted to use them. There are separate rules for creating monsters, and rules those include details on skill bonuses. This is covered twice, in the monster manual on page 8 and again in the DMG on page 279:</p><p></p><p>MM: <em>"A skill entry [in a monster stat block] is reserved for mosters that are proficient in one or more skills ..... A skill bonus is the sum of the ability modifier and proficiency bonus, which is determined by the monster's challange rating as shown in the Proficiency Bonus Challange Rating table.</em></p><p></p><p>DMG: <em> "If you want a monster to be proficient in a skill, you can gived it a bonus to its proficiency bonus ...You can double the proficiency bonus to account for heightened mastery"</em></p><p></p><p>Going by the PB Bonus Challange rating table, and assuming expertise and an ability cap of 20 on the relevant ability, you would have to be least CR9 to have a +12. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Sure as the DM you can ignore any rules you don't like, including the ones on making monsters. That doesn't mean those rules don't exist though</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ECMO3, post: 9256360, member: 7030563"] Of course you don't use the PC rules. You couldn't use PC rules because NPCs don't have levels and the PC rules won't work even if you wanted to use them. There are separate rules for creating monsters, and rules those include details on skill bonuses. This is covered twice, in the monster manual on page 8 and again in the DMG on page 279: MM: [I]"A skill entry [in a monster stat block] is reserved for mosters that are proficient in one or more skills ..... A skill bonus is the sum of the ability modifier and proficiency bonus, which is determined by the monster's challange rating as shown in the Proficiency Bonus Challange Rating table.[/I] DMG: [I] "If you want a monster to be proficient in a skill, you can gived it a bonus to its proficiency bonus ...You can double the proficiency bonus to account for heightened mastery"[/I] Going by the PB Bonus Challange rating table, and assuming expertise and an ability cap of 20 on the relevant ability, you would have to be least CR9 to have a +12. Sure as the DM you can ignore any rules you don't like, including the ones on making monsters. That doesn't mean those rules don't exist though [/QUOTE]
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