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<blockquote data-quote="Li Shenron" data-source="post: 6335231" data-attributes="member: 1465"><p><strong>Courtier</strong></p><p></p><p>Time to start drafting the more difficult base classes... let's try with the <strong>Courtier</strong>, starting off from the 3e class and see what we have to change. </p><p></p><p>1) General class features:</p><p></p><p><strong>Hit Dice</strong>: 1d6 per Courtier level</p><p></p><p>2) Proficiencies:</p><p></p><p><strong>Armor</strong>: None</p><p><strong>Weapons</strong>: Simple weapons and wakizashi</p><p><strong>Tools</strong>: Choose <em>two</em> from any artisan's tools, gaming sets, musical instruments, fine arts tools (see previous post on skills & tools), and languages</p><p><strong>Saving throws</strong>: Wisdom, Charisma</p><p><strong>Skills</strong>: Choose <em>four </em>from Deception, Etiquette*, History, Insight, Intimidation, Investigation, Perception, Performance and Persuasion</p><p></p><p>*this may or may not be needed in the game (could be part of Persuasion or a different skill)</p><p></p><p>3) This is how the level-based table for the Courtier may look like after my considerations and adjustments:</p><p></p><p>[CODE]1st Expertise, Wealth</p><p>2nd Cunning Action, Retainers</p><p>3rd Gossip, subclass feature</p><p>4th Ability Score Improvement</p><p>5th Courtier Ability</p><p>6th Expertise</p><p>7th Versatile, subclass feature</p><p>8th Ability Score Improvement</p><p>9th Courtier Ability</p><p>10th Leadership (Yojimbo)</p><p>11th Reliable Talent, subclass feature</p><p>12th Ability Score Improvement</p><p>13th Courtier Ability</p><p>14th The Heart Speaks</p><p>15th Versatile, subclass feature</p><p>16th Ability Score Improvement </p><p>17th Courtier Ability</p><p>18th The Immovable Hand of Peace</p><p>19th Ability Score Improvement </p><p>20th Courtier Ability</p><p>[/CODE]</p><p></p><p>Now a list of explanations, and how I came to the results above.</p><p></p><p>- <strong>Expertise</strong>: same as Rogue, replaces Talent and Style & Grace (basically bonuses to Cha checks), seemed more appropriate to fit with 5e</p><p>- <strong>Wealth</strong>: same as 3e Courtier, this is just bonus money, a minor feature</p><p>- <strong>Cunning Action</strong>: same as Rogue, added to represent the Courtier's tendency to avoid combat</p><p>- <strong>Retainers</strong>: added, same as Noble background trait</p><p>- <strong>Gossip</strong>: changed from 3e Courtier, now allows Investigation checks without spending any time, but still has % chance of mislead</p><p>- <strong>Courtier Abilities</strong>: same as 3e Courtier (but adjusted levels), this is a series of Courtier-only special features, many of which will be Clan-restricted; the 3e Courtier gets 6 during 20 levels, I decided to lower the number because many of those may not be applicable anymore due to bounded accuracy</p><p>- <strong>Versatile</strong>: changed from 3e Courtier (also adjusted levels, and only twice instead of 4 times) this used to add more skills to your class list; I'm thinking to replace that with either 1 additional skill proficiency or 2 tools/languages proficiencies</p><p>- <strong>Leadership</strong>: moved up 1 level from 3e Courtier, might also be revised compared to the original 3e feat</p><p>- <strong>Reliable Talent</strong>: added, same as Rogue</p><p>- <strong>The Heart Speaks</strong>: moved up 2 levels from 3e Courtier and changed, used to allow Take 20 on Sense Motive, I'm replacing this with advantage on all Insight checks*</p><p>- <strong>The Immovable Hand of Peace</strong>: same as 3e Courtier, might need save DC adjustment (this is similar to a <em>Sanctuary</em> spell at will, more difficult to resist but self-only)</p><p></p><p>*actually this is not impressive at all... at 14th level I might actually just keep the automatic 20 as in 3e</p><p></p><p>It's hard for me to assess the power balance of this class. It's very much non-combat-oriented.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Li Shenron, post: 6335231, member: 1465"] [b]Courtier[/b] Time to start drafting the more difficult base classes... let's try with the [B]Courtier[/B], starting off from the 3e class and see what we have to change. 1) General class features: [B]Hit Dice[/B]: 1d6 per Courtier level 2) Proficiencies: [B]Armor[/B]: None [B]Weapons[/B]: Simple weapons and wakizashi [B]Tools[/B]: Choose [I]two[/I] from any artisan's tools, gaming sets, musical instruments, fine arts tools (see previous post on skills & tools), and languages [B]Saving throws[/B]: Wisdom, Charisma [B]Skills[/B]: Choose [I]four [/I]from Deception, Etiquette*, History, Insight, Intimidation, Investigation, Perception, Performance and Persuasion *this may or may not be needed in the game (could be part of Persuasion or a different skill) 3) This is how the level-based table for the Courtier may look like after my considerations and adjustments: [CODE]1st Expertise, Wealth 2nd Cunning Action, Retainers 3rd Gossip, subclass feature 4th Ability Score Improvement 5th Courtier Ability 6th Expertise 7th Versatile, subclass feature 8th Ability Score Improvement 9th Courtier Ability 10th Leadership (Yojimbo) 11th Reliable Talent, subclass feature 12th Ability Score Improvement 13th Courtier Ability 14th The Heart Speaks 15th Versatile, subclass feature 16th Ability Score Improvement 17th Courtier Ability 18th The Immovable Hand of Peace 19th Ability Score Improvement 20th Courtier Ability [/CODE] Now a list of explanations, and how I came to the results above. - [B]Expertise[/B]: same as Rogue, replaces Talent and Style & Grace (basically bonuses to Cha checks), seemed more appropriate to fit with 5e - [B]Wealth[/B]: same as 3e Courtier, this is just bonus money, a minor feature - [B]Cunning Action[/B]: same as Rogue, added to represent the Courtier's tendency to avoid combat - [B]Retainers[/B]: added, same as Noble background trait - [B]Gossip[/B]: changed from 3e Courtier, now allows Investigation checks without spending any time, but still has % chance of mislead - [B]Courtier Abilities[/B]: same as 3e Courtier (but adjusted levels), this is a series of Courtier-only special features, many of which will be Clan-restricted; the 3e Courtier gets 6 during 20 levels, I decided to lower the number because many of those may not be applicable anymore due to bounded accuracy - [B]Versatile[/B]: changed from 3e Courtier (also adjusted levels, and only twice instead of 4 times) this used to add more skills to your class list; I'm thinking to replace that with either 1 additional skill proficiency or 2 tools/languages proficiencies - [B]Leadership[/B]: moved up 1 level from 3e Courtier, might also be revised compared to the original 3e feat - [B]Reliable Talent[/B]: added, same as Rogue - [B]The Heart Speaks[/B]: moved up 2 levels from 3e Courtier and changed, used to allow Take 20 on Sense Motive, I'm replacing this with advantage on all Insight checks* - [B]The Immovable Hand of Peace[/B]: same as 3e Courtier, might need save DC adjustment (this is similar to a [I]Sanctuary[/I] spell at will, more difficult to resist but self-only) *actually this is not impressive at all... at 14th level I might actually just keep the automatic 20 as in 3e It's hard for me to assess the power balance of this class. It's very much non-combat-oriented. [/QUOTE]
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