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<blockquote data-quote="Bedrockgames" data-source="post: 9018176" data-attributes="member: 85555"><p>I am not an academic but it does seem to me what qualifies as art changes with time. I half agree with Pemerton here and half agree with you. When I think back to being a student, a lot of the history books I read, I don't think of as art. But some of them I do. And I can understand Pemerton's reluctance here because I can see how if you fully embrace a field of study as art, it could open the field up to being less rigorous, objective, or more prone to being led by the things that propel art (like emotion for example). At the same time when I think of books like the Historians Craft, The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, Caesar and Christ or the Cheese and the Worms, the experience I had reading them was very much how I would engage with music or literature. </p><p></p><p>I do think it is a fine line. It can be handy to clarify what we mean by art but I also think that sometimes has the effect of certain things not being seen as such (when I was a kid I don't think many people I encountered thought of stand up comedy as an art form, but now it seems like as an art and as a craft it gets more respect in terms of what actually goes into shaping and honing those jokes). There are ways to define music: as a blend of rhythm, melody and harmony which can be helpful for understanding a song, and even for creating one, but that is a narrow definition the that would exclude a lot of perfectly valid musical forms (unless the definition is understood to mean it can include these elements but it need not include all of them). </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>To me this is the thing that firmly puts that in the realm of art. I would put it in a similar category as the old found journal technique in a lot of old horror stories and novels. It isn't that different from how Dracula is cobbled together from journal entries, travelogue, phonograph recordings, letters, etc. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I would say the same thing of the red boxed set or all the Van Richten books I devoured. The tactile experience of the boxed sets especially to me were not that different from opening up an album or CD and experiencing the music while sifting through all the paraphernalia</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Bedrockgames, post: 9018176, member: 85555"] I am not an academic but it does seem to me what qualifies as art changes with time. I half agree with Pemerton here and half agree with you. When I think back to being a student, a lot of the history books I read, I don't think of as art. But some of them I do. And I can understand Pemerton's reluctance here because I can see how if you fully embrace a field of study as art, it could open the field up to being less rigorous, objective, or more prone to being led by the things that propel art (like emotion for example). At the same time when I think of books like the Historians Craft, The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, Caesar and Christ or the Cheese and the Worms, the experience I had reading them was very much how I would engage with music or literature. I do think it is a fine line. It can be handy to clarify what we mean by art but I also think that sometimes has the effect of certain things not being seen as such (when I was a kid I don't think many people I encountered thought of stand up comedy as an art form, but now it seems like as an art and as a craft it gets more respect in terms of what actually goes into shaping and honing those jokes). There are ways to define music: as a blend of rhythm, melody and harmony which can be helpful for understanding a song, and even for creating one, but that is a narrow definition the that would exclude a lot of perfectly valid musical forms (unless the definition is understood to mean it can include these elements but it need not include all of them). To me this is the thing that firmly puts that in the realm of art. I would put it in a similar category as the old found journal technique in a lot of old horror stories and novels. It isn't that different from how Dracula is cobbled together from journal entries, travelogue, phonograph recordings, letters, etc. I would say the same thing of the red boxed set or all the Van Richten books I devoured. The tactile experience of the boxed sets especially to me were not that different from opening up an album or CD and experiencing the music while sifting through all the paraphernalia [/QUOTE]
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