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<blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 9142867" data-attributes="member: 4937"><p>I mean you have an 150 year long period of "peace" where the population stays between 30 and 31 million the whole time.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>That they executed the Christians makes them hardly different than any other nation or tribe of the period and isn't even remarkable or worth dwelling on. It's normal in human history for almost all of human history for every tribe and nation to consider the member of every other tribe or nation necessary to kill or even subhuman. Fear of the other isn't unusual. What is unusual in this time period is the degree to which they held their own life cheaply, not as a result of civilizational collapse, but as a cultural policy. </p><p></p><p>It's not like the negative aspects of the culture of Imperial Japan post the truly remarkable Meiji Restoration just came out of nowhere. Everything Imperial Japan did was just an extension of the good and the bad aspects of their own culture in the Edo period.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Oh good grief. I had not meant to trigger a bunch of nationalist sentiment. Every nation has nasty skeletons in its closet. My respect for Japan is extremely high. It's definitely one of the most remarkable cultures on the planet. But for all the art and literature produced the Edo period isn't the golden age of Japan. The golden age of Japan is post-WWII.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Celebrim, post: 9142867, member: 4937"] I mean you have an 150 year long period of "peace" where the population stays between 30 and 31 million the whole time. That they executed the Christians makes them hardly different than any other nation or tribe of the period and isn't even remarkable or worth dwelling on. It's normal in human history for almost all of human history for every tribe and nation to consider the member of every other tribe or nation necessary to kill or even subhuman. Fear of the other isn't unusual. What is unusual in this time period is the degree to which they held their own life cheaply, not as a result of civilizational collapse, but as a cultural policy. It's not like the negative aspects of the culture of Imperial Japan post the truly remarkable Meiji Restoration just came out of nowhere. Everything Imperial Japan did was just an extension of the good and the bad aspects of their own culture in the Edo period. Oh good grief. I had not meant to trigger a bunch of nationalist sentiment. Every nation has nasty skeletons in its closet. My respect for Japan is extremely high. It's definitely one of the most remarkable cultures on the planet. But for all the art and literature produced the Edo period isn't the golden age of Japan. The golden age of Japan is post-WWII. [/QUOTE]
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