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<blockquote data-quote="osarusan" data-source="post: 9143727" data-attributes="member: 13950"><p>I mean, you're pointing out that there were legitimate problems. Sure, I'll agree with that. Of course there were. None of that comes close to the hellscape you painted in your first post though. You want to talk about the population growth? Sure, let's talk about it! It's a fascinating subject. For example, why did Europe's population grow so much between 1700 and 1800? Well, it certainly helped that the 17th century saw one of the most destructive series of wars in European history, which depopulated the continent to such an extent that it allowed for rapid growth later. Google the demographics of European countries and be amazed at how many millions of people were murdered in the 1600s to allow for that marvelous period of "growth" later on. You call Japan's population "stagnant," when the reality is that it was <em>stable</em>.</p><p></p><p>This isn't about nationalism. Although I live here, I am not a Japanese national nor do I have any sense of nationalism towards Japan. Nor is it about respect; you can respect Japan more than anyone else but still be dead wrong about its history. This is just about facts. By all means, let us discuss the goods and evils of Edo period Japan and compare them with what was happening in the rest of the world (tell me you'd rather live in Germany in 1630 than in Japan).</p><p></p><p>Look, it's not my intention to quarrel or raise anyone's hackles. I only want to call out the hyperbolic and historically inaccurate picture of Japan you painted in your first comment.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="osarusan, post: 9143727, member: 13950"] I mean, you're pointing out that there were legitimate problems. Sure, I'll agree with that. Of course there were. None of that comes close to the hellscape you painted in your first post though. You want to talk about the population growth? Sure, let's talk about it! It's a fascinating subject. For example, why did Europe's population grow so much between 1700 and 1800? Well, it certainly helped that the 17th century saw one of the most destructive series of wars in European history, which depopulated the continent to such an extent that it allowed for rapid growth later. Google the demographics of European countries and be amazed at how many millions of people were murdered in the 1600s to allow for that marvelous period of "growth" later on. You call Japan's population "stagnant," when the reality is that it was [I]stable[/I]. This isn't about nationalism. Although I live here, I am not a Japanese national nor do I have any sense of nationalism towards Japan. Nor is it about respect; you can respect Japan more than anyone else but still be dead wrong about its history. This is just about facts. By all means, let us discuss the goods and evils of Edo period Japan and compare them with what was happening in the rest of the world (tell me you'd rather live in Germany in 1630 than in Japan). Look, it's not my intention to quarrel or raise anyone's hackles. I only want to call out the hyperbolic and historically inaccurate picture of Japan you painted in your first comment. [/QUOTE]
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