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<blockquote data-quote="antiwesley" data-source="post: 9122656" data-attributes="member: 7031616"><p>Caveat: I was a retailer. Both in the comics and RPG industries. The way that retailers make their money, is by simple math. </p><p>By the time it reaches a store purchasers hand, it's gone through at least 3 different hands, with each hand recieving a share of the product cost. For example: I would order 20 copies of "Woeful Comics" number 1, with a cover price of $2.50.</p><p></p><p>I paid Massive Comics Distributor, $1.25 for each book. A customer buys at cover for 2.50, I have $1.25 in profit. The higher amount I order, the more of a discount I get, and provided they sell, I make a better profit. </p><p></p><p>Massive Comics Distributor, however, pays maybe .50 cents a copy for that book. They sell it to me for the $1.25 a copy. .75 cents a copy profit to them. So of that original $2.50, Woeful Comics makes roughly a .25 profit. A mere pittance. </p><p></p><p>Now, if you ordered direct from Woeful, they'd make $2.25 a book. </p><p></p><p>As someone who provides a link to a reseller, regardless of how Noble Knights gets the book as they are licensed resellers, not only do you profit, but they profit as above. That's why they can pay so much. </p><p>No matter how you buy it from Noble Knight, Woeful has already recieved their roughly 10% of the total cost. Noble Knight then makes a nice, tidy profit from your hard work pimping them out. Which is what you do. You provide the links to "make it easy" and get your cut of the sale, and they walk away in their 70's pimp costume. You're doing the work that they could have hired someone at minimum wage to do, only cheaper. </p><p></p><p>So now knowing that you're quite possibly getting a .05% commission really do the product itself a favour?</p><p>That something you could be making $10 an hour doing, you're only getting a nickel..</p><p></p><p>I'd rather pay the cost to get it from the company themselves because then, their profits are maximised, and they can use the money to produce more product. In this setup, everyone makes money, but the "reseller/retailer' benefits the most, not the company that produced the material in the first place. </p><p></p><p>When we come to "old product" as you put it, that is where NK cashes in, really. The product has already gone through it's retailer life, as laid out above, and there, because of little to no market price regulation, they can rob you blind and you may not know any better. </p><p></p><p>Example: I was looking a very very long time ago for the Prisoner book for GURPS. </p><p>I ended up paying well over $60 for my copy. </p><p></p><p>Currently, they list 1 copy at $75. </p><p>I have a local FLGS, who knows what he has, and knows that he could get a lot more, but chooses to sell it for maybe $15 to $20. </p><p>Both are 'local' to me. (an hour and 20 minutes to Noble Knight, and 20 minutes to this other place) </p><p>Both will be making a profit on the sale. Who is going to make the sale? The business that's jacked up the price? </p><p>Nope. </p><p>Because there are no market standards for RPG products, the honest guys sell it for a good price. The Noble Knights and Half-Price Books of the world jack the prices up and sit back because they have people working for a pittance for them to give them the attention. </p><p></p><p>But as long as you get your King's Shilling, you'll happily derp derp away sending them business, when it's better directed at the producers themselves.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="antiwesley, post: 9122656, member: 7031616"] Caveat: I was a retailer. Both in the comics and RPG industries. The way that retailers make their money, is by simple math. By the time it reaches a store purchasers hand, it's gone through at least 3 different hands, with each hand recieving a share of the product cost. For example: I would order 20 copies of "Woeful Comics" number 1, with a cover price of $2.50. I paid Massive Comics Distributor, $1.25 for each book. A customer buys at cover for 2.50, I have $1.25 in profit. The higher amount I order, the more of a discount I get, and provided they sell, I make a better profit. Massive Comics Distributor, however, pays maybe .50 cents a copy for that book. They sell it to me for the $1.25 a copy. .75 cents a copy profit to them. So of that original $2.50, Woeful Comics makes roughly a .25 profit. A mere pittance. Now, if you ordered direct from Woeful, they'd make $2.25 a book. As someone who provides a link to a reseller, regardless of how Noble Knights gets the book as they are licensed resellers, not only do you profit, but they profit as above. That's why they can pay so much. No matter how you buy it from Noble Knight, Woeful has already recieved their roughly 10% of the total cost. Noble Knight then makes a nice, tidy profit from your hard work pimping them out. Which is what you do. You provide the links to "make it easy" and get your cut of the sale, and they walk away in their 70's pimp costume. You're doing the work that they could have hired someone at minimum wage to do, only cheaper. So now knowing that you're quite possibly getting a .05% commission really do the product itself a favour? That something you could be making $10 an hour doing, you're only getting a nickel.. I'd rather pay the cost to get it from the company themselves because then, their profits are maximised, and they can use the money to produce more product. In this setup, everyone makes money, but the "reseller/retailer' benefits the most, not the company that produced the material in the first place. When we come to "old product" as you put it, that is where NK cashes in, really. The product has already gone through it's retailer life, as laid out above, and there, because of little to no market price regulation, they can rob you blind and you may not know any better. Example: I was looking a very very long time ago for the Prisoner book for GURPS. I ended up paying well over $60 for my copy. Currently, they list 1 copy at $75. I have a local FLGS, who knows what he has, and knows that he could get a lot more, but chooses to sell it for maybe $15 to $20. Both are 'local' to me. (an hour and 20 minutes to Noble Knight, and 20 minutes to this other place) Both will be making a profit on the sale. Who is going to make the sale? The business that's jacked up the price? Nope. Because there are no market standards for RPG products, the honest guys sell it for a good price. The Noble Knights and Half-Price Books of the world jack the prices up and sit back because they have people working for a pittance for them to give them the attention. But as long as you get your King's Shilling, you'll happily derp derp away sending them business, when it's better directed at the producers themselves. [/QUOTE]
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