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Ryan Dancey - D&D in a Death Spiral
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<blockquote data-quote="Gothmog" data-source="post: 4747069" data-attributes="member: 317"><p>Yeah, I'd have to say between the GAMA fiasco and his possible vested interest in the failure of 4e, anything Ryan Dancey says is questionable at best. While his thoughts are an interesting read, they can't be taken as anything more than that.</p><p></p><p>As for anecdotal evidence for the state of 4e, my FLGS has sold over 100 PHB2s since its release, and gets another shipment of 8 in every week, which also sell out (they also still move about 5-10 PHB1s per week). My FLGS is also packed every Saturday night with people who participate in Delve Night, and the D&D gamedays for 4e are extremely busy- something that was never seen during the 3e era. The local B&N and Borders also carries at least 5 PHB2s every time I've been in there (as well as the full range of 4e books, including multiple PHBs, MMs, and DMGs), and from what the sales staff tell me there, 4e continutes to be a strong seller. We also know the initial print run for 4e was larger than for 3e, and 4e has sold through its first two printings faster than 3e did. This data, along with the fact the 4e PHB2 is sold out, AND it appears on several bestseller lists and at higher rankings than the 3e books when they were released seems like pretty solid evidence that 4e isn't going away anytime soon. So while some people seem to hope and pray for the demise of 4e, it really requires some convoluted logic and reinterpretation of data and events to come to the conclusion that 4e is dying. </p><p></p><p>4e being successful is good for everyone in the RPG business and our hobby- I really don't understand the hatred and conspiracy theories some people seem to keep pumping out and are obsessed with. We all win when the gaming industry is strong, and we all lose when its not. Play whatever floats your boat, but there is no need to fight amongst ourselves.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Gothmog, post: 4747069, member: 317"] Yeah, I'd have to say between the GAMA fiasco and his possible vested interest in the failure of 4e, anything Ryan Dancey says is questionable at best. While his thoughts are an interesting read, they can't be taken as anything more than that. As for anecdotal evidence for the state of 4e, my FLGS has sold over 100 PHB2s since its release, and gets another shipment of 8 in every week, which also sell out (they also still move about 5-10 PHB1s per week). My FLGS is also packed every Saturday night with people who participate in Delve Night, and the D&D gamedays for 4e are extremely busy- something that was never seen during the 3e era. The local B&N and Borders also carries at least 5 PHB2s every time I've been in there (as well as the full range of 4e books, including multiple PHBs, MMs, and DMGs), and from what the sales staff tell me there, 4e continutes to be a strong seller. We also know the initial print run for 4e was larger than for 3e, and 4e has sold through its first two printings faster than 3e did. This data, along with the fact the 4e PHB2 is sold out, AND it appears on several bestseller lists and at higher rankings than the 3e books when they were released seems like pretty solid evidence that 4e isn't going away anytime soon. So while some people seem to hope and pray for the demise of 4e, it really requires some convoluted logic and reinterpretation of data and events to come to the conclusion that 4e is dying. 4e being successful is good for everyone in the RPG business and our hobby- I really don't understand the hatred and conspiracy theories some people seem to keep pumping out and are obsessed with. We all win when the gaming industry is strong, and we all lose when its not. Play whatever floats your boat, but there is no need to fight amongst ourselves. [/QUOTE]
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