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<blockquote data-quote="mercucio" data-source="post: 1644819" data-attributes="member: 7928"><p>I was bored the other day and have been frustrated over the weakness I have perceived in the Summon Monster spell list in 3.5, name the puny CR of monsters summoned.</p><p></p><p>First thing I did was take the summon monster list found in the 3.5 srd and assign each creature on the list it's CR as per the 3.5 SRD. I then broke that down into a CR range per spell level, give below:</p><p></p><p>[CODE]</p><p>SPELL NAME CR Summonable </p><p>Summon monster I 1/2</p><p>Summon monster II 1</p><p>Summon monster III 2</p><p>Summon monster IX 3-4</p><p>Summon monster V 4-5</p><p>Summon monster VI 6-7</p><p>Summon monster VII 7-9</p><p>Summon monster VIII 9-11</p><p>Summon monster IX 11-12</p><p></p><p>* There is +1/-1 varience in CRs observed at levels IV-IX</p><p>[/CODE]</p><p></p><p>The breakdown by spell level is given below:</p><p></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px">Summon Monster</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"> </span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"><strong>1st Level</strong></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px">Celestial dog (1/3) LG</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px">Celestial owl (1/4) LG</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px">Celestial giant fire beetle (1/3) NG</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px">Celestial porpoise1 (1/2) NG</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px">Celestial badger (1/2) CG</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px">Celestial monkey (1/6) CG</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px">Fiendish dire rat (1/3) LE</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px">Fiendish raven (1/6) LE</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px">Fiendish monstrous centipede, Medium (1/2) NE</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px">Fiendish monstrous scorpion, Small (1/2) NE</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px">Fiendish hawk (1/3) CE</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px">Fiendish monstrous spider, Small (1/2) CE</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px">Fiendish octopus1 (1) CE</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px">Fiendish snake, Small viper (1/2) CE</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"><strong>2nd Level</strong></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px">Celestial giant bee (1) LG</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px">Celestial giant bombardier beetle (2) NG</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px">Celestial riding dog (1) NG</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px">Celestial eagle (1/2) CG</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px">Lemure (devil) (1) LE</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px">Fiendish squid1(1) LE</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px">Fiendish wolf (1) LE</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px">Fiendish monstrous centipede, Large (1) NE</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px">Fiendish monstrous scorpion, Medium (1) NE</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px">Fiendish shark, Medium1 (1) NE</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px">Fiendish monstrous spider, Medium (1) CE</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px">Fiendish snake, Medium viper (1) CE</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"><strong>3rd Level</strong></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px">Celestial black bear (2) LG</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px">Celestial bison (3) NG</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px">Celestial dire badger (2) CG</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px">Celestial hippogriff (2) CG</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px">Elemental, Small (any) (1) N</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px">Fiendish ape (3) LE</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px">Fiendish dire weasel (2) LE</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px">Hell hound (3) LE</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px">Fiendish snake, constrictor (2) LE</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px">Fiendish boar (2) NE</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px">Fiendish dire bat (3) NE</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px">Fiendish monstrous centipede, Huge (3) NE</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px">Fiendish crocodile (2) CE</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px">Dretch (demon) (2) CE</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px">Fiendish snake, Large viper (2) CE</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px">Fiendish wolverine (2) CE</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"><strong>4th Level</strong></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px">Archon, lantern (2) LG</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px">Celestial giant owl (4) LG</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px">Celestial giant eagle (4) CG</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px">Celestial lion (4) CG</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px">Mephit (any) (3) N</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px">Fiendish dire wolf (4) LE</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px">Fiendish giant wasp (4) LE</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px">Fiendish giant praying mantis (4) NE</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px">Fiendish shark, Large1 (3) NE</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px">Yeth hound (3) NE</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px">Fiendish monstrous spider, Large (3) CE</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px">Fiendish snake, Huge viper (4) CE</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px">Howler (3) CE</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"><strong>5th Level</strong></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px">Archon, hound (4) LG</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px">Celestial brown bear (5) LG</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px">Celestial giant stag beetle (5) NG</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px">Celestial sea cat1 (5) NG</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px">Celestial griffon (5) CG</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px">Elemental, Medium (any) (3) N</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px">Achaierai (5) LE</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px">Devil, bearded (5) LE</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px">Fiendish dire ape (4) LE</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px">Fiendish dire boar (5) NE</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px">Fiendish shark, Huge (5) NE</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px">Fiendish monstrous scorpion, Large (4) NE</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px">Shadow mastiff (5) NE</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px">Fiendish dire wolverine (5) CE</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px">Fiendish giant crocodile (5) CE</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px">Fiendish tiger (5) CE</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"><strong>6th Level</strong></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px">Celestial polar bear (6) LG</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px">Celestial orca whale1 (7) NG</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px">Bralani (eladrin) (6) CG</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px">Celestial dire lion (7) CG</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px">Elemental, Large (any) (5) N</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px">Janni (genie) (4) N</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px">Chaos beast (7) CN</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px">Devil, chain (6) LE</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px">Xill (6) LE</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px">Fiendish monstrous centipede, Gargantuan (8) NE</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px">Fiendish monstrous spider, Huge (7) CE</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px">Fiendish snake, giant constrictor (7) CE</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"><strong>7th Level</strong></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px">Celestial elephant (9) LG</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px">Avoral (guardinal) (9) NG</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px">Celestial baleen whale1 (8) NG</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px">Djinni (genie) (5) CG</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px">Elemental, Huge (any) (7) N</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px">Invisible stalker (7) N</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px">Devil, bone (9) LE</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px">Fiendish monstrous scorpion, Huge (7) NE</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px">Babau (demon) (6) CE</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px">Fiendish giant octopus1 (10) CE</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px">Fiendish girallon (7) CE</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"><strong>8th Level</strong></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px">Celestial dire bear (9) LG</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px">Celestial cachalot whale1 (9) NG</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px">Lillend (7) CG</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px">Elemental, greater (any) (9) N</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px">Fiendish giant squid1 (11) LE</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px">Hellcat (7) LE</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px">Fiendish monstrous centipede, Colossal (11) NE</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px">Fiendish dire tiger (10) CE</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px">Fiendish monstrous spider, Gargantuan (10) CE</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px">Vrock (demon) (9) CE</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"><strong>9th Level</strong></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px">Couatl (10) LG</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px">Leonal (guardinal) (12) NG</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px">Celestial roc (11) CG</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px">Elemental, elder (any) (11) N</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px">Devil, barbed (11) LE</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px">Fiendish dire shark1 (11) NE</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px">Fiendish monstrous scorpion, Gargantuan (12) NE</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px">Night hag (9) NE</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px">Bebilith (demon) (10) CE</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px">Fiendish monstrous spider, Colossal (13) CE</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px">Hezrou (demon) (11) CE</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px">1 May be summoned only into an aquatic or watery environment.</span></p><p></p><p><strong>Next post:</strong> <em>Alternate CR by spell level chart, and alternate summon monster I-IX lists based on those guidelines.</em></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="mercucio, post: 1644819, member: 7928"] I was bored the other day and have been frustrated over the weakness I have perceived in the Summon Monster spell list in 3.5, name the puny CR of monsters summoned. First thing I did was take the summon monster list found in the 3.5 srd and assign each creature on the list it's CR as per the 3.5 SRD. I then broke that down into a CR range per spell level, give below: [CODE] SPELL NAME CR Summonable Summon monster I 1/2 Summon monster II 1 Summon monster III 2 Summon monster IX 3-4 Summon monster V 4-5 Summon monster VI 6-7 Summon monster VII 7-9 Summon monster VIII 9-11 Summon monster IX 11-12 * There is +1/-1 varience in CRs observed at levels IV-IX [/CODE] The breakdown by spell level is given below: [SIZE=3]Summon Monster[/SIZE] [SIZE=1] [B]1st Level[/B] Celestial dog (1/3) LG Celestial owl (1/4) LG Celestial giant fire beetle (1/3) NG Celestial porpoise1 (1/2) NG Celestial badger (1/2) CG Celestial monkey (1/6) CG Fiendish dire rat (1/3) LE Fiendish raven (1/6) LE Fiendish monstrous centipede, Medium (1/2) NE Fiendish monstrous scorpion, Small (1/2) NE Fiendish hawk (1/3) CE Fiendish monstrous spider, Small (1/2) CE Fiendish octopus1 (1) CE Fiendish snake, Small viper (1/2) CE [B]2nd Level[/B] Celestial giant bee (1) LG Celestial giant bombardier beetle (2) NG Celestial riding dog (1) NG Celestial eagle (1/2) CG Lemure (devil) (1) LE Fiendish squid1(1) LE Fiendish wolf (1) LE Fiendish monstrous centipede, Large (1) NE Fiendish monstrous scorpion, Medium (1) NE Fiendish shark, Medium1 (1) NE Fiendish monstrous spider, Medium (1) CE Fiendish snake, Medium viper (1) CE [B]3rd Level[/B] Celestial black bear (2) LG Celestial bison (3) NG Celestial dire badger (2) CG Celestial hippogriff (2) CG Elemental, Small (any) (1) N Fiendish ape (3) LE Fiendish dire weasel (2) LE Hell hound (3) LE Fiendish snake, constrictor (2) LE Fiendish boar (2) NE Fiendish dire bat (3) NE Fiendish monstrous centipede, Huge (3) NE Fiendish crocodile (2) CE Dretch (demon) (2) CE Fiendish snake, Large viper (2) CE Fiendish wolverine (2) CE [B]4th Level[/B] Archon, lantern (2) LG Celestial giant owl (4) LG Celestial giant eagle (4) CG Celestial lion (4) CG Mephit (any) (3) N Fiendish dire wolf (4) LE Fiendish giant wasp (4) LE Fiendish giant praying mantis (4) NE Fiendish shark, Large1 (3) NE Yeth hound (3) NE Fiendish monstrous spider, Large (3) CE Fiendish snake, Huge viper (4) CE Howler (3) CE [B]5th Level[/B] Archon, hound (4) LG Celestial brown bear (5) LG Celestial giant stag beetle (5) NG Celestial sea cat1 (5) NG Celestial griffon (5) CG Elemental, Medium (any) (3) N Achaierai (5) LE Devil, bearded (5) LE Fiendish dire ape (4) LE Fiendish dire boar (5) NE Fiendish shark, Huge (5) NE Fiendish monstrous scorpion, Large (4) NE Shadow mastiff (5) NE Fiendish dire wolverine (5) CE Fiendish giant crocodile (5) CE Fiendish tiger (5) CE [B]6th Level[/B] Celestial polar bear (6) LG Celestial orca whale1 (7) NG Bralani (eladrin) (6) CG Celestial dire lion (7) CG Elemental, Large (any) (5) N Janni (genie) (4) N Chaos beast (7) CN Devil, chain (6) LE Xill (6) LE Fiendish monstrous centipede, Gargantuan (8) NE Fiendish monstrous spider, Huge (7) CE Fiendish snake, giant constrictor (7) CE [B]7th Level[/B] Celestial elephant (9) LG Avoral (guardinal) (9) NG Celestial baleen whale1 (8) NG Djinni (genie) (5) CG Elemental, Huge (any) (7) N Invisible stalker (7) N Devil, bone (9) LE Fiendish monstrous scorpion, Huge (7) NE Babau (demon) (6) CE Fiendish giant octopus1 (10) CE Fiendish girallon (7) CE [B]8th Level[/B] Celestial dire bear (9) LG Celestial cachalot whale1 (9) NG Lillend (7) CG Elemental, greater (any) (9) N Fiendish giant squid1 (11) LE Hellcat (7) LE Fiendish monstrous centipede, Colossal (11) NE Fiendish dire tiger (10) CE Fiendish monstrous spider, Gargantuan (10) CE Vrock (demon) (9) CE [B]9th Level[/B] Couatl (10) LG Leonal (guardinal) (12) NG Celestial roc (11) CG Elemental, elder (any) (11) N Devil, barbed (11) LE Fiendish dire shark1 (11) NE Fiendish monstrous scorpion, Gargantuan (12) NE Night hag (9) NE Bebilith (demon) (10) CE Fiendish monstrous spider, Colossal (13) CE Hezrou (demon) (11) CE 1 May be summoned only into an aquatic or watery environment.[/SIZE] [B]Next post:[/B] [I]Alternate CR by spell level chart, and alternate summon monster I-IX lists based on those guidelines.[/I] [/QUOTE]
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