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Savage Species, Succubus, and 3.5.
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<blockquote data-quote="Ranes" data-source="post: 1417832" data-attributes="member: 4826"><p>Okay, I've never tried to answer a request like this before, so bear in mind I'm approaching this from the angle of trying to help, not being any kind of authority on SS-3.5 integration.</p><p></p><p>Keep the acquisition of lesser and greater powers as described in SS but remember that the 3.5 succubus doesn't get <em>doom</em>, <em>clairaudience/clairvoyance</em>, <em>darkness</em>, <em>desecrate</em> or <em>unholy blight</em>. I would leave the remaining powers in the lesser/greater categories SS places them into. Alternate Form (Su) appears to have been replaced by <em>polymorph</em> limited to humanoid forms with no maximum duration. I'd give the succubus this ability at 1st level but determine the caster level as the succubus level, for the purposes of calculating other limitations on chosen form. <em>Teleport without error</em> is replaced by <em>greater teleport</em> easily enough. I'd keep the SS guidelines on how the various powers scale up, as the succubus advances in levels.</p><p> </p><p>In SS the creature's DR is 10/+2 at 11th level. In 3.5 it's 10/cold iron or good. I think that can be swapped straight in at 11th level.</p><p> </p><p>Then there's the SR. Here, SS says this is 6 + HD from class levels but that won't get us to 3.5's SR of 18, so I would make it 6 + class level. That gets us to the right (3.5) SR for a fully developed succubus. I realise that the lower level creature is more spell resistant this way but that makes up for those low-level spell-like abilities the creature lost (see last paragraph) in the transition to 3.5.</p><p> </p><p>That seems to take care of the differences, unless I've missed something. I confess to not having checked the skill point totals but I'd wager only the tiniest of tweaks might be necessary there, if at all. I've also made these suggestions based on having access to SS and MM 3.5. I couldn't cross-reference with a 3.0 MM, because I've donated my copy to a worthy cause.</p><p> </p><p>I hope you find these suggestions helpful.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ranes, post: 1417832, member: 4826"] Okay, I've never tried to answer a request like this before, so bear in mind I'm approaching this from the angle of trying to help, not being any kind of authority on SS-3.5 integration. Keep the acquisition of lesser and greater powers as described in SS but remember that the 3.5 succubus doesn't get [i]doom[/i], [i]clairaudience/clairvoyance[/i], [i]darkness[/i], [i]desecrate[/i] or [i]unholy blight[/i]. I would leave the remaining powers in the lesser/greater categories SS places them into. Alternate Form (Su) appears to have been replaced by [i]polymorph[/i] limited to humanoid forms with no maximum duration. I'd give the succubus this ability at 1st level but determine the caster level as the succubus level, for the purposes of calculating other limitations on chosen form. [i]Teleport without error[/i] is replaced by [i]greater teleport[/i] easily enough. I'd keep the SS guidelines on how the various powers scale up, as the succubus advances in levels. In SS the creature's DR is 10/+2 at 11th level. In 3.5 it's 10/cold iron or good. I think that can be swapped straight in at 11th level. Then there's the SR. Here, SS says this is 6 + HD from class levels but that won't get us to 3.5's SR of 18, so I would make it 6 + class level. That gets us to the right (3.5) SR for a fully developed succubus. I realise that the lower level creature is more spell resistant this way but that makes up for those low-level spell-like abilities the creature lost (see last paragraph) in the transition to 3.5. That seems to take care of the differences, unless I've missed something. I confess to not having checked the skill point totals but I'd wager only the tiniest of tweaks might be necessary there, if at all. I've also made these suggestions based on having access to SS and MM 3.5. I couldn't cross-reference with a 3.0 MM, because I've donated my copy to a worthy cause. I hope you find these suggestions helpful. [/QUOTE]
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