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Savage Species, Succubus, and 3.5.
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<blockquote data-quote="Ranes" data-source="post: 1423356" data-attributes="member: 4826"><p>Well, as I said, I would give them SR from level one. In SS, the succubus gets 6 + HD SR and has a final SR of 12. Here's what an SS (3.0) succubus SR would be at each level.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p>Level HD SR</p><p>1____1__7</p><p>2____2__8</p><p>3____2__8</p><p>4____3__9</p><p>5____3__9</p><p>6____4__10</p><p>7____4__10</p><p>8____5__11</p><p>9____5__11</p><p>10___6__12</p><p>11___6__12</p><p>12___6__12</p><p> </p><p>Here's how things would look under my proposal (SR = 6 + class level) for getting to 3.5's final SR of 18.</p><p> </p><p>Level HD SR</p><p>1____1__7</p><p>2____2__8</p><p>3____2__9</p><p>4____3__10</p><p>5____3__11</p><p>6____4__12</p><p>7____4__13</p><p>8____5__14</p><p>9____5__15</p><p>10___6__16</p><p>11___6__17</p><p>12___6__18</p><p> </p><p>No difference until 3rd level but then the 3.5/SS succubus benefits from improved SR. I see your point about making up for lost abilities and I thought about that when first replied. But my suggestion is as close to the way that I <em>think</em> the designers were thinking as I can get.</p><p> </p><p>I also just noticed (in a borrowed copy of the MM) that the 3.0 succubus is CR 9. In SS and 3.5 it's CR 7. I wonder if some of those abilities the 3.5 succubus lost should have been written out of the SS entry. That would have gone some way to accounting for the different CRs.</p><p> </p><p>Just a thought.</p><p> </p><p>Edited for some brutal table formatting. (Behold!) I know there's a better way; I just don't know what it is. Must read that FAQ...</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ranes, post: 1423356, member: 4826"] Well, as I said, I would give them SR from level one. In SS, the succubus gets 6 + HD SR and has a final SR of 12. Here's what an SS (3.0) succubus SR would be at each level. Level HD SR 1____1__7 2____2__8 3____2__8 4____3__9 5____3__9 6____4__10 7____4__10 8____5__11 9____5__11 10___6__12 11___6__12 12___6__12 Here's how things would look under my proposal (SR = 6 + class level) for getting to 3.5's final SR of 18. Level HD SR 1____1__7 2____2__8 3____2__9 4____3__10 5____3__11 6____4__12 7____4__13 8____5__14 9____5__15 10___6__16 11___6__17 12___6__18 No difference until 3rd level but then the 3.5/SS succubus benefits from improved SR. I see your point about making up for lost abilities and I thought about that when first replied. But my suggestion is as close to the way that I [i]think[/i] the designers were thinking as I can get. I also just noticed (in a borrowed copy of the MM) that the 3.0 succubus is CR 9. In SS and 3.5 it's CR 7. I wonder if some of those abilities the 3.5 succubus lost should have been written out of the SS entry. That would have gone some way to accounting for the different CRs. Just a thought. Edited for some brutal table formatting. (Behold!) I know there's a better way; I just don't know what it is. Must read that FAQ... [/QUOTE]
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