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<blockquote data-quote="Torm" data-source="post: 2045312" data-attributes="member: 12706"><p>I agree that you shouldn't have to worry about getting sued to ask a few questions, but you're putting the cart before the horse, methinks: If you know a child that you suspect of being abused in some fashion, there you go. Ask questions, call police or social services, take action. And as I said, I think things need to be changed to make teachers freer to do these things when they do have cause. BUT, there is a very important idea in this country - yes, even as important as that child's welfare - called "Innocent until proven guilty." My point being that you can't just go around taking away the right to privacy and install police-state-like observation for every parent just because some few are doing bad things. Most people <em>are</em> good people, and don't deserve the uncomfortable scrutiny or the implied insult.</p><p></p><p>In other words, do you mind if I see you naked? I mean, if you don't have anything to hide, there's no problem, right? <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/paranoid.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":uhoh:" title="Paranoid :uhoh:" data-shortname=":uhoh:" /> </p><p></p><p>The reason the ID cards with RFID tags are not, in my opinion, a good idea is that they promote the idea that it is okay for the authorities to monitor us that way in the minds of the children. Like a baby elephant held in place with a weak rope who will stand in place for the same rope even after they've grown large enough to break it easily, children raised to think that way may never even notice civil rights <em>they never knew they had</em> slipping away as adults!</p><p></p><p>That said, I think it is a positive thing that you say that you at least make sure your students don't take their IDs home. <em>Maybe</em> if it is clearly outlined to them that there IS a separation between the time they are the responsibility of the state and the time that is <em>theirs</em>, my concern above won't be relevant.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Torm, post: 2045312, member: 12706"] I agree that you shouldn't have to worry about getting sued to ask a few questions, but you're putting the cart before the horse, methinks: If you know a child that you suspect of being abused in some fashion, there you go. Ask questions, call police or social services, take action. And as I said, I think things need to be changed to make teachers freer to do these things when they do have cause. BUT, there is a very important idea in this country - yes, even as important as that child's welfare - called "Innocent until proven guilty." My point being that you can't just go around taking away the right to privacy and install police-state-like observation for every parent just because some few are doing bad things. Most people [I]are[/I] good people, and don't deserve the uncomfortable scrutiny or the implied insult. In other words, do you mind if I see you naked? I mean, if you don't have anything to hide, there's no problem, right? :uhoh: The reason the ID cards with RFID tags are not, in my opinion, a good idea is that they promote the idea that it is okay for the authorities to monitor us that way in the minds of the children. Like a baby elephant held in place with a weak rope who will stand in place for the same rope even after they've grown large enough to break it easily, children raised to think that way may never even notice civil rights [I]they never knew they had[/I] slipping away as adults! That said, I think it is a positive thing that you say that you at least make sure your students don't take their IDs home. [I]Maybe[/I] if it is clearly outlined to them that there IS a separation between the time they are the responsibility of the state and the time that is [I]theirs[/I], my concern above won't be relevant. [/QUOTE]
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