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<blockquote data-quote="robertliguori" data-source="post: 3999396" data-attributes="member: 47776"><p>One other point that bears consideration: Are your demons servitors of infernal powers, or of Evil itself?</p><p></p><p>Let's say that a fiend tempting a lord to Pride hears the lord's loyal fool castigate the lord openly in front of his court, and, horror of horrors, the lord admits fault for his recent actions and strives to rule with more temperance in the future. The smart thing to do is to back the hell off, let the lord think that he has defeated his own sinful nature, and only strike again when the time is ripe. However, the prideful thing to do would be to immediately start working to have the lord end up killing the fool, regardless of the fact that such direct temptation could lead to genuine self-awareness (and accompanying paying for a Planar Binding array and stabbing of the fiend) on the part of the lord.</p><p></p><p>My personal preference is to emphasize that the celestial/fiendish hierarchies are force-based, not effect based; devils aren't evil and lawful because it works, but because they are devils. Devils will brutalize underlings to show their strength (and turn on superiors that are insufficiently brutal) not because it achieves their goals, but because it is part of who and what they are. The moment an exemplar outsider realizes that they can turn away from their heritage and form a genuine partnership with a lesser / murder an innocent, they have risen (or fallen).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="robertliguori, post: 3999396, member: 47776"] One other point that bears consideration: Are your demons servitors of infernal powers, or of Evil itself? Let's say that a fiend tempting a lord to Pride hears the lord's loyal fool castigate the lord openly in front of his court, and, horror of horrors, the lord admits fault for his recent actions and strives to rule with more temperance in the future. The smart thing to do is to back the hell off, let the lord think that he has defeated his own sinful nature, and only strike again when the time is ripe. However, the prideful thing to do would be to immediately start working to have the lord end up killing the fool, regardless of the fact that such direct temptation could lead to genuine self-awareness (and accompanying paying for a Planar Binding array and stabbing of the fiend) on the part of the lord. My personal preference is to emphasize that the celestial/fiendish hierarchies are force-based, not effect based; devils aren't evil and lawful because it works, but because they are devils. Devils will brutalize underlings to show their strength (and turn on superiors that are insufficiently brutal) not because it achieves their goals, but because it is part of who and what they are. The moment an exemplar outsider realizes that they can turn away from their heritage and form a genuine partnership with a lesser / murder an innocent, they have risen (or fallen). [/QUOTE]
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