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Shadow Sorcerer + Warcaster + Polearm Master + Eye of Darkness = Is It insane?
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<blockquote data-quote="ECMO3" data-source="post: 8400848" data-attributes="member: 7030563"><p>No a car is not a creature. The horse is taking the action (dash) just like the blinded driver of the car is taking the action (interact with an object). You are "controlling" the driver and directing how he takes his action, just like you are controling the mount.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>The car is not a mount, it is an object. You need to read the rules and understand the difference between a creature and an object. This is fundamental to the game.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>There are actually rules on this. READ THE RULES!</p><p></p><p>Objects you drive make you use your action to control them. They are objects and are completely different from a mount that gets its own action. Objects you drive are not mounts and do not use the mounted combat rules. Unlike your horse they do not get actions and mounted combat does not apply when riding on one. The driver of a Demon Grinder for example uses his action to control it.</p><p></p><p>If your sorcerer is driving a Demon Grinder or Scavanger then sure he can see fine and drive it all over the battlefield in his patch of darkness just fine. But that uses <strong>his</strong> action, and he can't use his action to make any attacks or cast any spells and it is not the same as riding a horse or a Griffon or a dragon or any other creature.</p><p></p><p>Now if I was DM and you were riding in the demon grinder and had a blinded ally you were telling where to go who was driving, absolutely I would make him roll not to run into things, flip it etc.</p><p></p><p>Here are the rules for driving from Descent into Avernus:</p><p><em>"Drive. While the infernal war machine’s engine is on, t<strong>he driver can use an action </strong>to propel the vehicle up to its speed or bring the vehicle to a dead stop. While the vehicle is moving, the driver can steer it along any course.</em></p><p><em>If the driver is incapacitated, leaves the helm, or does nothing to alter the infernal war machine’s course and speed, the vehicle moves in the same direction and at the same speed as it did during the driver’s last turn until it hits an obstacle big enough to stop it."</em></p><p></p><p>Those are WOTC published rules and there is nothing in there suggesting this is the same as mounted combat with a controlled mount.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ECMO3, post: 8400848, member: 7030563"] No a car is not a creature. The horse is taking the action (dash) just like the blinded driver of the car is taking the action (interact with an object). You are "controlling" the driver and directing how he takes his action, just like you are controling the mount. The car is not a mount, it is an object. You need to read the rules and understand the difference between a creature and an object. This is fundamental to the game. There are actually rules on this. READ THE RULES! Objects you drive make you use your action to control them. They are objects and are completely different from a mount that gets its own action. Objects you drive are not mounts and do not use the mounted combat rules. Unlike your horse they do not get actions and mounted combat does not apply when riding on one. The driver of a Demon Grinder for example uses his action to control it. If your sorcerer is driving a Demon Grinder or Scavanger then sure he can see fine and drive it all over the battlefield in his patch of darkness just fine. But that uses [B]his[/B] action, and he can't use his action to make any attacks or cast any spells and it is not the same as riding a horse or a Griffon or a dragon or any other creature. Now if I was DM and you were riding in the demon grinder and had a blinded ally you were telling where to go who was driving, absolutely I would make him roll not to run into things, flip it etc. Here are the rules for driving from Descent into Avernus: [I]"Drive. While the infernal war machine’s engine is on, t[B]he driver can use an action [/B]to propel the vehicle up to its speed or bring the vehicle to a dead stop. While the vehicle is moving, the driver can steer it along any course. If the driver is incapacitated, leaves the helm, or does nothing to alter the infernal war machine’s course and speed, the vehicle moves in the same direction and at the same speed as it did during the driver’s last turn until it hits an obstacle big enough to stop it."[/I] Those are WOTC published rules and there is nothing in there suggesting this is the same as mounted combat with a controlled mount. [/QUOTE]
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