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<blockquote data-quote="Zardnaar" data-source="post: 7553122" data-attributes="member: 6716779"><p>Matilda lacked mobility. It the old armor, mobilty, firepower thing pick 2. Modern tanks can get around that of course but back in the 30's and 40's this was true for the most part until later model Shermans, Panzer IV, T-34. </p><p></p><p> Take away the propaganda about the German kittens the Sherman over performed relative to say the T-34 (which was only good due to numbers), its armor was better than all the other medium tanks and it had good mobility. Letdown a bit in the firepower department vs the heaviest German tanks and even tat was taken care of later and with Sherman variants. </p><p></p><p> The Panther was really a heavy tank, its probably fairer to compare that to a Pershing which was a similar weight and was a heavy tank in western eyes(and had an 88mm equivalent that the Germans could not get onto a tank that size). </p><p></p><p> USA doctrine at the time called for the tank destroyers to deal with the big German kittehs. The doctrine was a it flawed but it was not any worse than the German or Soviet doctrines which also had problems. </p><p></p><p> If the Panther was that good the Allies would have copied it or lifted design features from it. They did that with German planes, subs and missiles but not tanks so why not? The main reason was the German tanks were not as good as Nazi propaganda made them out to be, the best actual ones (StuG III, Panzer IV) the allies already had equivalents with the Sherman and with the high velocity AA guns in a tank the Allies also had the Sherman Firefly (Easy 8 sorta) M-36 and Pershing for that role. German suspension on the kittehs were also very flawed post war even the Soviets dumped the Christie suspension they used. M1 Abrams uses torsion bars which traces its ancestry back to WW2. Tank evolution the Allies were right the Germans and Soviets were wrong.</p><p></p><p> A few tanks were good on paper (early T-34) but were let down with low quality finishing or crew ergonomics. There are stories for example of Soviet tanks in 1941 shrugging off 20+ hits (mostly from 20mm and 37mm) but you can also wonder why these tanks were letting themselves get hit 20+ times. You can up gun to 50m and 75mm its hard to fix poor visibility or very cramped conditions where its difficult to load your gun in the st place let alone hit anything with it.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Zardnaar, post: 7553122, member: 6716779"] Matilda lacked mobility. It the old armor, mobilty, firepower thing pick 2. Modern tanks can get around that of course but back in the 30's and 40's this was true for the most part until later model Shermans, Panzer IV, T-34. Take away the propaganda about the German kittens the Sherman over performed relative to say the T-34 (which was only good due to numbers), its armor was better than all the other medium tanks and it had good mobility. Letdown a bit in the firepower department vs the heaviest German tanks and even tat was taken care of later and with Sherman variants. The Panther was really a heavy tank, its probably fairer to compare that to a Pershing which was a similar weight and was a heavy tank in western eyes(and had an 88mm equivalent that the Germans could not get onto a tank that size). USA doctrine at the time called for the tank destroyers to deal with the big German kittehs. The doctrine was a it flawed but it was not any worse than the German or Soviet doctrines which also had problems. If the Panther was that good the Allies would have copied it or lifted design features from it. They did that with German planes, subs and missiles but not tanks so why not? The main reason was the German tanks were not as good as Nazi propaganda made them out to be, the best actual ones (StuG III, Panzer IV) the allies already had equivalents with the Sherman and with the high velocity AA guns in a tank the Allies also had the Sherman Firefly (Easy 8 sorta) M-36 and Pershing for that role. German suspension on the kittehs were also very flawed post war even the Soviets dumped the Christie suspension they used. M1 Abrams uses torsion bars which traces its ancestry back to WW2. Tank evolution the Allies were right the Germans and Soviets were wrong. A few tanks were good on paper (early T-34) but were let down with low quality finishing or crew ergonomics. There are stories for example of Soviet tanks in 1941 shrugging off 20+ hits (mostly from 20mm and 37mm) but you can also wonder why these tanks were letting themselves get hit 20+ times. You can up gun to 50m and 75mm its hard to fix poor visibility or very cramped conditions where its difficult to load your gun in the st place let alone hit anything with it. [/QUOTE]
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