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<blockquote data-quote="Zardnaar" data-source="post: 7553456" data-attributes="member: 6716779"><p>From memory (Adam Tooze Wages of Destruction+ other sources).</p><p></p><p> Germany's entire wartime fuel production was similar to the UKs annual imports.</p><p></p><p> Car ownership in the USA per capita to the Third Reich was 50-1.</p><p></p><p> Modern New Zealand (pop 4.5 million) uses per annum around 4 times Nazi Germany's wartime production.</p><p></p><p>All the oil the Axis ever needed was actually in Libya but not available in the 1930's/40's. </p><p></p><p>Synthetic gas was around 6 times (in terms of resources used) more expensive than refined petrol. Better than no gas.</p><p></p><p> The Nazi production miracle late war was actually set in place in 41 or so. They just added more (slave) workers and drove down civilian needs late war (and Europe started to starve) .</p><p></p><p> The Germans were not idiots, their industry was fully engaged in wartime production by 1941. It took a few more years to build new factories then get the labour for them and German production peaked 1944.</p><p></p><p>The Germans were more agricultural than the UK, mostly women's work in the war years even if they wanted to put women in factories like the west they couldn't. </p><p></p><p>The UK outproduced them solo in the early war years.</p><p></p><p>Even if Rommel won in North Africa they had no way to refine the ME oil, transport it to the ports, or ship it to Italy or wherever. ME oil was mostly a postwar development anyway, in the war years the USA and Venezuela were the largest sources of oil.</p><p></p><p>Postwar Marshall plan is over rated for German economic recovery. Not having to produce weapons under the Kaiser or Hitler had more to do with it.</p><p></p><p> Fuel use in France dropped over 90% in the war years. The Germans drafted 500 000 horses which further reduced European food production.</p><p></p><p>Nazi expansion made the food problem worse as some countries like Norway now had to be fed from occupied countries that produced surpluses in effect reducing resources for the German population.</p><p></p><p> The Germans were correct in there build better/bigger tanks thing, building more tanks would not have helped as they struggled to fuel the existing ones they had. They kinda botched the implementation of it. Still it was the English who struggled to design a decent tank in WW2, they made entire production runs larger than the German Tiger run of fail tanks (example Coventar tank). They actually liked the Grant briefly. The English got there at the end though. </p><p></p><p> As the Soviet Guardsman I linked to earlier about the Sherman being a bad tank his reaction was "Compared to what". The Lend lease British tanks were basically bad, the T-34 was a death trap, KV series was a mess, German tanks early war tanks were under gunned even in 1940, late war mechanical problems (except the basic models based on early war tanks).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Zardnaar, post: 7553456, member: 6716779"] From memory (Adam Tooze Wages of Destruction+ other sources). Germany's entire wartime fuel production was similar to the UKs annual imports. Car ownership in the USA per capita to the Third Reich was 50-1. Modern New Zealand (pop 4.5 million) uses per annum around 4 times Nazi Germany's wartime production. All the oil the Axis ever needed was actually in Libya but not available in the 1930's/40's. Synthetic gas was around 6 times (in terms of resources used) more expensive than refined petrol. Better than no gas. The Nazi production miracle late war was actually set in place in 41 or so. They just added more (slave) workers and drove down civilian needs late war (and Europe started to starve) . The Germans were not idiots, their industry was fully engaged in wartime production by 1941. It took a few more years to build new factories then get the labour for them and German production peaked 1944. The Germans were more agricultural than the UK, mostly women's work in the war years even if they wanted to put women in factories like the west they couldn't. The UK outproduced them solo in the early war years. Even if Rommel won in North Africa they had no way to refine the ME oil, transport it to the ports, or ship it to Italy or wherever. ME oil was mostly a postwar development anyway, in the war years the USA and Venezuela were the largest sources of oil. Postwar Marshall plan is over rated for German economic recovery. Not having to produce weapons under the Kaiser or Hitler had more to do with it. Fuel use in France dropped over 90% in the war years. The Germans drafted 500 000 horses which further reduced European food production. Nazi expansion made the food problem worse as some countries like Norway now had to be fed from occupied countries that produced surpluses in effect reducing resources for the German population. The Germans were correct in there build better/bigger tanks thing, building more tanks would not have helped as they struggled to fuel the existing ones they had. They kinda botched the implementation of it. Still it was the English who struggled to design a decent tank in WW2, they made entire production runs larger than the German Tiger run of fail tanks (example Coventar tank). They actually liked the Grant briefly. The English got there at the end though. As the Soviet Guardsman I linked to earlier about the Sherman being a bad tank his reaction was "Compared to what". The Lend lease British tanks were basically bad, the T-34 was a death trap, KV series was a mess, German tanks early war tanks were under gunned even in 1940, late war mechanical problems (except the basic models based on early war tanks). [/QUOTE]
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