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<blockquote data-quote="Hawk Diesel" data-source="post: 7513380" data-attributes="member: 59848"><p>This is absurd.</p><p></p><p>1) It would do no damage because it is harmless.</p><p></p><p>2) If propelled to extremely high speeds by magic, it would deal damage based on the spell used, if any</p><p></p><p>3) It can support a character dealing potentially lots of damage or other effects if it is a component to a spell.</p><p></p><p>4) With enough seeds and an Herbalism or poisoner's kit, a character could make cyanide, coat it on a blowdart, and deal 1 piercing damage + and effect from the poison (exact effect to be determined by DM as it is unlikely be similar enough to basic poison and in my view is more dangerous, though others may equally correctly see enough similarity to treat it as basic poison).</p><p></p><p>5) Maybe in my game I say the gulthias tree has seeds similar to shotputs in weight and hardness, but maybe not texture or size. Of course, shotputs aren't defined in 5e game, but they seem similar enough in their damage output capabilities to be on par with a one-handed warhammer, so I'll say a shotput deals 1d8 (having been hit by a shotput, this is severe underestimate. Its a 16 lb. metal ball for those that don't know, so maybe a maul would be a better stand in, but will go with this). It will also have the thrown property. And thus so will my gulthias tree seeds since it is a <em>good enough</em> stand in for a shotput. So I will give it a range of 60'/100'. A character coupd throw it and if it hits it deals 1d8 + strength. But no other weapon in the game is lile a shot put in use. While it could hit like a warhammer, it is not used like a warhammer. Nor is it thrown like a spear or javelin. And so, the player would not add proficiency bonus to the attack. Of course unless he took the background Track Athlete, in which case I might allow adding proficiency. Oh! And the gulthias tree is also spiky! So I might also allow it to deal piercing damage, and it may even hurt the chaeacter using it without a special glove!</p><p></p><p>Don't come at us with absurd examples. Because an apple seed is not going to be used like a weapon because it cannot do harm in that way. But there are untold creative ways an appleseed could be used. Or items that are not even close to being covered such as a shotput. A DM has to make those calls. And that judgement supported by the rules, text, and philosophy of 5e D&D.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Hawk Diesel, post: 7513380, member: 59848"] This is absurd. 1) It would do no damage because it is harmless. 2) If propelled to extremely high speeds by magic, it would deal damage based on the spell used, if any 3) It can support a character dealing potentially lots of damage or other effects if it is a component to a spell. 4) With enough seeds and an Herbalism or poisoner's kit, a character could make cyanide, coat it on a blowdart, and deal 1 piercing damage + and effect from the poison (exact effect to be determined by DM as it is unlikely be similar enough to basic poison and in my view is more dangerous, though others may equally correctly see enough similarity to treat it as basic poison). 5) Maybe in my game I say the gulthias tree has seeds similar to shotputs in weight and hardness, but maybe not texture or size. Of course, shotputs aren't defined in 5e game, but they seem similar enough in their damage output capabilities to be on par with a one-handed warhammer, so I'll say a shotput deals 1d8 (having been hit by a shotput, this is severe underestimate. Its a 16 lb. metal ball for those that don't know, so maybe a maul would be a better stand in, but will go with this). It will also have the thrown property. And thus so will my gulthias tree seeds since it is a [I]good enough[/I] stand in for a shotput. So I will give it a range of 60'/100'. A character coupd throw it and if it hits it deals 1d8 + strength. But no other weapon in the game is lile a shot put in use. While it could hit like a warhammer, it is not used like a warhammer. Nor is it thrown like a spear or javelin. And so, the player would not add proficiency bonus to the attack. Of course unless he took the background Track Athlete, in which case I might allow adding proficiency. Oh! And the gulthias tree is also spiky! So I might also allow it to deal piercing damage, and it may even hurt the chaeacter using it without a special glove! Don't come at us with absurd examples. Because an apple seed is not going to be used like a weapon because it cannot do harm in that way. But there are untold creative ways an appleseed could be used. Or items that are not even close to being covered such as a shotput. A DM has to make those calls. And that judgement supported by the rules, text, and philosophy of 5e D&D. [/QUOTE]
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