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<blockquote data-quote="Silveras" data-source="post: 2428810" data-attributes="member: 6271"><p>Challenge Rating (CR) is how much of a challenge a trap or creature is as a one-shot opponent. </p><p></p><p>Equivalent Character Level (ECL) is a measure of how useful/viable a creature is as an ongoing character (either as a PC or as a Cohort). </p><p></p><p>The things that make a creature a challenge to fight are not always the same as what make it a viable long-term character to play. </p><p></p><p>A CR8 encounter is defined as being something 4 8th level PCs (presumed 1 each of Figher, Wizard, Rogue, and Cleric) would have to use up 25% of their resources to get past. </p><p></p><p>Such a creature could be 12 HD with a low movement rate, weak attacks, and no special abilities at all, conceivably. Or, it could be 6 HD and incorporeal at will. The first one might be boring to play, but offers no real issues, and might have a Level Adjustment (LA) of +0. The second, though, would make a lot of traps and encounters too easy. Trap ? Go Incorporeal. Surprised at night ? Go Incorporeal. Need to hide ? Go Incorporeal. As such, a LA of +2, +3, or even +4 might be warranted. </p><p></p><p>So, what do we get ?</p><p></p><p>Lump: CR 8 monster, 12 HD + LA 0 = ECL 12 character (if allowed)</p><p>Incorporeal Knight: CR 8 monster, 6 HD + 4 LA = ECL 10 character (if allowed)</p><p></p><p>Hope that helps.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Silveras, post: 2428810, member: 6271"] Challenge Rating (CR) is how much of a challenge a trap or creature is as a one-shot opponent. Equivalent Character Level (ECL) is a measure of how useful/viable a creature is as an ongoing character (either as a PC or as a Cohort). The things that make a creature a challenge to fight are not always the same as what make it a viable long-term character to play. A CR8 encounter is defined as being something 4 8th level PCs (presumed 1 each of Figher, Wizard, Rogue, and Cleric) would have to use up 25% of their resources to get past. Such a creature could be 12 HD with a low movement rate, weak attacks, and no special abilities at all, conceivably. Or, it could be 6 HD and incorporeal at will. The first one might be boring to play, but offers no real issues, and might have a Level Adjustment (LA) of +0. The second, though, would make a lot of traps and encounters too easy. Trap ? Go Incorporeal. Surprised at night ? Go Incorporeal. Need to hide ? Go Incorporeal. As such, a LA of +2, +3, or even +4 might be warranted. So, what do we get ? Lump: CR 8 monster, 12 HD + LA 0 = ECL 12 character (if allowed) Incorporeal Knight: CR 8 monster, 6 HD + 4 LA = ECL 10 character (if allowed) Hope that helps. [/QUOTE]
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