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Should Insight be able to determine if an NPC is lying?
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<blockquote data-quote="D1Tremere" data-source="post: 7593576" data-attributes="member: 61148"><p>You could be right, I have been known to make mistakes and I do run my games in a certain way. I would argue that the results of the poll suggest that my interpretation is more in line with the default at most peoples tables. All of that said, I will defend my position a bit with actual rulebook information.</p><p></p><p>"Ability Checks An ability check is a test to see whether a character succeeds at a task that he or she has <strong>decided</strong> to attempt." Says right here that the player can decide to attempt an ability check whenever they want to see if they succeed or fail at a task. Says nothing about the DM making that decision.</p><p></p><p>Your quote about Insight ignores the point. As the skill specifically states, the check decides (not the player, not the DM) what your character determines. The part you emphasize just details in game fluff that explains WHY/HOW the check determines. You also avoided my question. If the check is your observation of the environment, what else would determine your thoughts if not that?</p><p></p><p>I would also argue that the rules serve both the DM and the Players as "As the player who creates the game world and the adventures that take place within it, the DM is a natural fit to take on the referee role. As a referee, the DM acts as a mediator between the rules and the players." </p><p>Your reference to the rules serving the DM and not the other way around is used in the rulebooks to say that the DM doesn't serve the rules, an explanation that they need not be slavish to them. It does not refer to the players relationships to the rules. If the DM is a referee that would suggest that the rules exist between themselves and the players.</p><p></p><p>I'm tempted to add a snarky comment here to address yours, but I honestly enjoy discussing my perspective with others and see no need to make it less fun.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="D1Tremere, post: 7593576, member: 61148"] You could be right, I have been known to make mistakes and I do run my games in a certain way. I would argue that the results of the poll suggest that my interpretation is more in line with the default at most peoples tables. All of that said, I will defend my position a bit with actual rulebook information. "Ability Checks An ability check is a test to see whether a character succeeds at a task that he or she has [B]decided[/B] to attempt." Says right here that the player can decide to attempt an ability check whenever they want to see if they succeed or fail at a task. Says nothing about the DM making that decision. Your quote about Insight ignores the point. As the skill specifically states, the check decides (not the player, not the DM) what your character determines. The part you emphasize just details in game fluff that explains WHY/HOW the check determines. You also avoided my question. If the check is your observation of the environment, what else would determine your thoughts if not that? I would also argue that the rules serve both the DM and the Players as "As the player who creates the game world and the adventures that take place within it, the DM is a natural fit to take on the referee role. As a referee, the DM acts as a mediator between the rules and the players." Your reference to the rules serving the DM and not the other way around is used in the rulebooks to say that the DM doesn't serve the rules, an explanation that they need not be slavish to them. It does not refer to the players relationships to the rules. If the DM is a referee that would suggest that the rules exist between themselves and the players. I'm tempted to add a snarky comment here to address yours, but I honestly enjoy discussing my perspective with others and see no need to make it less fun. [/QUOTE]
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