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<blockquote data-quote="Henry" data-source="post: 7534141" data-attributes="member: 158"><p>The part of that argument "don't dump stat X if you want Y" really doesn't hold water where 5e is concerned. It's not like Pathfinder where the person who is completely unprepared has a +12 difference from the person who optimized, and you could have had a chance to improve your insight check over several levels if you wanted to. The barbarian has all of one chance to take a feat over every 4 levels to improve a skill, even then it's by a +2 or +3. Thanks to bounded accuracy, you could have a +4 or 5 in your insight, and still lose to the suave talker (or vice versa). It's not about planning, it's about dice whims. My clerics with +6 Wisdom saves at 4th level have rolled enough 2s and 5s on saving throws for me to know this.</p><p></p><p>...Then again, the average gamer doesn't go into a game expecting to have to defend themselves from fellow party members ensorcelling them, either. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /> I'm a firm believer in the player contract, and if I've made a ruling that actually causes one of my sane, rational players* to be genuinely pissed off at me, then I know I need to back up and re-think my approach. On the other hand, if I'm the only one who turns out feeling that way, then it's probably time to find another group, because my expectations of a good game probably don't line up with theirs.</p><p></p><p>*Player as opposed to PC; PCs at my table are pissed off at their odds all the time, but I'm careful to make sure that the person is having a blast.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Henry, post: 7534141, member: 158"] The part of that argument "don't dump stat X if you want Y" really doesn't hold water where 5e is concerned. It's not like Pathfinder where the person who is completely unprepared has a +12 difference from the person who optimized, and you could have had a chance to improve your insight check over several levels if you wanted to. The barbarian has all of one chance to take a feat over every 4 levels to improve a skill, even then it's by a +2 or +3. Thanks to bounded accuracy, you could have a +4 or 5 in your insight, and still lose to the suave talker (or vice versa). It's not about planning, it's about dice whims. My clerics with +6 Wisdom saves at 4th level have rolled enough 2s and 5s on saving throws for me to know this. ...Then again, the average gamer doesn't go into a game expecting to have to defend themselves from fellow party members ensorcelling them, either. :) I'm a firm believer in the player contract, and if I've made a ruling that actually causes one of my sane, rational players* to be genuinely pissed off at me, then I know I need to back up and re-think my approach. On the other hand, if I'm the only one who turns out feeling that way, then it's probably time to find another group, because my expectations of a good game probably don't line up with theirs. *Player as opposed to PC; PCs at my table are pissed off at their odds all the time, but I'm careful to make sure that the person is having a blast. [/QUOTE]
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