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<blockquote data-quote="Charlaquin" data-source="post: 7534945" data-attributes="member: 6779196"><p>Sure, I can agree with that. The trouble is, that shorthand doesn’t give me, as DM, enough informattion to decide fairly whether or not a check should be made. I’m even ok with your assertion that an action’s outcome is uncertain if the DM decides it is uncertain. But I can’t decide if it’s uncertain unless I understand specifically what the approach is with which your character hopes to accomplish your goal. That’s why I don’t say, “please rephrase your action in the form of a goal and approach”, I say “I’m hearing that you want to _______. What is your character doing to try to bring that about?” It’s not enough for me to know that you want to convince the other character to go along with your plan. I also need to know what you’re saying (even if only in nonspecific terms like “politely requesting”), or I can’t adequately decide whether or not I think the outcome is uncertain. On top of that, if the subject of your action is under the control of someone who is not me, I simply cannot have enough information to make that determination without the input of the person who is in control of that character. And ultimately, that person’s input is always going to carry more weight than my own, so I might as well defer to them on the matter entirely.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Charlaquin, post: 7534945, member: 6779196"] Sure, I can agree with that. The trouble is, that shorthand doesn’t give me, as DM, enough informattion to decide fairly whether or not a check should be made. I’m even ok with your assertion that an action’s outcome is uncertain if the DM decides it is uncertain. But I can’t decide if it’s uncertain unless I understand specifically what the approach is with which your character hopes to accomplish your goal. That’s why I don’t say, “please rephrase your action in the form of a goal and approach”, I say “I’m hearing that you want to _______. What is your character doing to try to bring that about?” It’s not enough for me to know that you want to convince the other character to go along with your plan. I also need to know what you’re saying (even if only in nonspecific terms like “politely requesting”), or I can’t adequately decide whether or not I think the outcome is uncertain. On top of that, if the subject of your action is under the control of someone who is not me, I simply cannot have enough information to make that determination without the input of the person who is in control of that character. And ultimately, that person’s input is always going to carry more weight than my own, so I might as well defer to them on the matter entirely. [/QUOTE]
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