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<blockquote data-quote="Guest 6801328" data-source="post: 7535574"><p>This is a really excellent way of explaining the difference.</p><p></p><p>When you are grappled you are not compelled to do anything (i.e., there is no loss of agency) but there are certain actions that, if you try them...and you <em>can</em> try them if you really want to...the DM can point to a very specific rule that says you fail.</p><p></p><p>When you have "been persuaded" and your DM says you cannot take such-and-such course of action:</p><p>1) He is saying you can't even try.</p><p>2) There is no rule to back him up. There is no Persuaded condition.</p><p></p><p>I'll also add that if you are grappled you can try to break free every turn, and there are rules for that, too. For those of you espousing hard effects of Persuade...is it permanent? Are the targets aware they have been persuaded and can they make Wisdom saves each round to break free? When they do, do they have to be hostile to the caster? (Ok, I'm getting a little bit farcical here...)</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Guest 6801328, post: 7535574"] This is a really excellent way of explaining the difference. When you are grappled you are not compelled to do anything (i.e., there is no loss of agency) but there are certain actions that, if you try them...and you [I]can[/I] try them if you really want to...the DM can point to a very specific rule that says you fail. When you have "been persuaded" and your DM says you cannot take such-and-such course of action: 1) He is saying you can't even try. 2) There is no rule to back him up. There is no Persuaded condition. I'll also add that if you are grappled you can try to break free every turn, and there are rules for that, too. For those of you espousing hard effects of Persuade...is it permanent? Are the targets aware they have been persuaded and can they make Wisdom saves each round to break free? When they do, do they have to be hostile to the caster? (Ok, I'm getting a little bit farcical here...) [/QUOTE]
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