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<blockquote data-quote="ArchfiendBobbie" data-source="post: 7309169" data-attributes="member: 6867728"><p>I was responding to Sacrosanct bringing up the ToS as though it had some weight or relevance to the discussion in a reply to me. <a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/showthread.php?591213-Skyrim-supplement-for-D-amp-D-5e/page6&p=7301832&viewfull=1#post7301832" target="_blank">Sacrosanct brought the ToS into the discussion</a>, which I ignored until Sacrosanct tried to use it as though it proved anything in their reply.</p><p></p><p>Also, their ToS doesn't apply to all content. The only services they have for making content are a fansite kit and the tools they publish for making game mods, and under the ToS section of the game mods they cede ownership of the mods to the mod makers; ZeniMax doesn't own the majority of the content that is created for Skyrim according to their own ToS.</p><p></p><p>Here's the relevant section:</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Note that this section doesn't include the language that ZeniMax may use this content as they wish, and was defined as not being UGC in the rules in the prior section. ZeniMax, according to their own ToS, doesn't own or have rights to mods.</p><p></p><p>Now, where the teeth fail: Outside of copyright laws, how can ZeniMax or Bethesda enforce anything against the document on the first page? Or the hundreds of other fan creations just like it? That's why I say it's toothless; this isn't a ToS matter and never will be just due to how the ToS is worded. And with both Bethesda and ZeniMax completely uninterested in making the clauses related to removing things from distribution methods they provide enforceable by having those methods actually exist, that's all it ever will be.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ArchfiendBobbie, post: 7309169, member: 6867728"] I was responding to Sacrosanct bringing up the ToS as though it had some weight or relevance to the discussion in a reply to me. [URL="http://www.enworld.org/forum/showthread.php?591213-Skyrim-supplement-for-D-amp-D-5e/page6&p=7301832&viewfull=1#post7301832"]Sacrosanct brought the ToS into the discussion[/URL], which I ignored until Sacrosanct tried to use it as though it proved anything in their reply. Also, their ToS doesn't apply to all content. The only services they have for making content are a fansite kit and the tools they publish for making game mods, and under the ToS section of the game mods they cede ownership of the mods to the mod makers; ZeniMax doesn't own the majority of the content that is created for Skyrim according to their own ToS. Here's the relevant section: Note that this section doesn't include the language that ZeniMax may use this content as they wish, and was defined as not being UGC in the rules in the prior section. ZeniMax, according to their own ToS, doesn't own or have rights to mods. Now, where the teeth fail: Outside of copyright laws, how can ZeniMax or Bethesda enforce anything against the document on the first page? Or the hundreds of other fan creations just like it? That's why I say it's toothless; this isn't a ToS matter and never will be just due to how the ToS is worded. And with both Bethesda and ZeniMax completely uninterested in making the clauses related to removing things from distribution methods they provide enforceable by having those methods actually exist, that's all it ever will be. [/QUOTE]
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