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<blockquote data-quote="Kerrick" data-source="post: 4750101" data-attributes="member: 4722"><p>In part, sure. But I also like my rules to have an internal logic.</p><p></p><p></p><p>True.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Celestials are the only ones who get spellcaster levels. I've always wondered why they were so much more powerful than fiends, beyond discouraging PCs from trying to kill them.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Hardly. The SLAs in the MM are fairly evenly balanced across levels - most of them get a good spread of levels; it's just that a lot of them aren't very useful and/or thematically tied to the monster. I've already beefed up SLAs for those that needed it when I did the monster revisions.</p><p></p><p></p><p>SLAs are fairly easy to justify - the creature is inherently magical and can cast spells. (Yes, I know that same argument can be applied to innate spellcasting levels, but as you pointed out, they're not the same - SLAs don't require any components.) My main problem is "Why do creatures get SLAs AND innate spellcaster levels?". Why can they cast some spells without components of any kind, and yet have to use components for others? It makes no sense. It should be an all-or-nothing thing, unless they actually have class levels. Not that many creatures get ISLs anyway (celestials and dragons are the only ones), so eliminating them entirely wouldn't hurt much. Dragons, by dint of their origin, will be a special case.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Kerrick, post: 4750101, member: 4722"] In part, sure. But I also like my rules to have an internal logic. True. Celestials are the only ones who get spellcaster levels. I've always wondered why they were so much more powerful than fiends, beyond discouraging PCs from trying to kill them. Hardly. The SLAs in the MM are fairly evenly balanced across levels - most of them get a good spread of levels; it's just that a lot of them aren't very useful and/or thematically tied to the monster. I've already beefed up SLAs for those that needed it when I did the monster revisions. SLAs are fairly easy to justify - the creature is inherently magical and can cast spells. (Yes, I know that same argument can be applied to innate spellcasting levels, but as you pointed out, they're not the same - SLAs don't require any components.) My main problem is "Why do creatures get SLAs AND innate spellcaster levels?". Why can they cast some spells without components of any kind, and yet have to use components for others? It makes no sense. It should be an all-or-nothing thing, unless they actually have class levels. Not that many creatures get ISLs anyway (celestials and dragons are the only ones), so eliminating them entirely wouldn't hurt much. Dragons, by dint of their origin, will be a special case. [/QUOTE]
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