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<blockquote data-quote="Nyarlathotep" data-source="post: 131533" data-attributes="member: 1799"><p>I gotta admit, I just don't get it.</p><p></p><p>As far as I can see, there is really very little work involved in converting old scenario's over to the d20 system. CoC is all about setting and mood, and as long as Chaosium continues to publish material for CoC (whether it's d20 compatible or not) there will be stuff that can be used. I myself planning on running a modern Delta-Green style campaign using a bunch of the Cthulhu Now! stuff. Where it says "hunting horror" or "shoggoth" I replace the stat-block with one from the d20 CoC book, assign DC numbers for skills as is appropriate for the investigators and problem solved! </p><p></p><p>The Chaosium adventures are superior to anything I've ever seen from Wizards (with the possible exception of Return to Temple of Elemental Evil, which is certainly the best adventure published by WotC - but compare RttoEE to Horror on the Orient Express, Horror on the Orient Express is much much better*). Personally, I think it's because WotC has to "cater to the lowest common denominator" which in this case happens to be a younger teen audience. This means that to keep mom and dad happy, violence has to be sanitary, horror has to be PC (not Piratecat, but his evil uncle, twice removed, Political Correctness), sex can never be used as a plot device or storyline and so on. CoC, by it's nature appeals to a more mature audience and the "darkness" of the material reflects that. </p><p></p><p>These adventures can all be easily converted to d20, so WotC not doing any adventures or supplements doesn't bother me at all.</p><p></p><p>Now... back OT. I can't speak for the Stormbringer/Melnibone line as I haven't ever used it (I've got enough systems to deal with right now, thank you very much). I'd love to check it out, as I'm a fan of the Eternal Champions series by Moorcock. I get the impression from their website that Chaosium doesn't really have a "harem" of staff writers like WotC and most of their material comes from independant authors (like PC now, I suppose - congrats by the way, just don't let it interfere with my regular story hour fixes <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" />), which would probably explain a great deal about delays and other problems getting things off to the printer on time etc. etc. It sure do suck, but I think the general high quality (in the Cthulhu line at least) makes up for it.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>*Seriously! Do you ever see Wizards publishing an adventure where the cultist are so evil, so nasty and so insane that when they decide to kill the investigators they do it with a flesh beast, a montrosity summoned by sewing live children together and dumping boiling flesh on them? It was one of the creepiest and most disturbing things I had read for an RPG (well until I got Delta-Green:Alien Intelligence) and if it disturbed me, it will terrify my players, the blouse-wearing poodle walkers!</p><p></p><p>Disclaimer: All opinions are solely my own, certainly not the desires of whims of the Daemon Sultan Azathoth. Also I generally speak from ignorance as I haven't yet cracked the cover on my d20 CoC book - I bought Delta Green: Countdown and Delta Green: Alien Intelligence and had to finish those first... having done so I'd say that they are essential books for anyone running a modern age d20 CoC campaign (or old school Chaosium rules even).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Nyarlathotep, post: 131533, member: 1799"] I gotta admit, I just don't get it. As far as I can see, there is really very little work involved in converting old scenario's over to the d20 system. CoC is all about setting and mood, and as long as Chaosium continues to publish material for CoC (whether it's d20 compatible or not) there will be stuff that can be used. I myself planning on running a modern Delta-Green style campaign using a bunch of the Cthulhu Now! stuff. Where it says "hunting horror" or "shoggoth" I replace the stat-block with one from the d20 CoC book, assign DC numbers for skills as is appropriate for the investigators and problem solved! The Chaosium adventures are superior to anything I've ever seen from Wizards (with the possible exception of Return to Temple of Elemental Evil, which is certainly the best adventure published by WotC - but compare RttoEE to Horror on the Orient Express, Horror on the Orient Express is much much better*). Personally, I think it's because WotC has to "cater to the lowest common denominator" which in this case happens to be a younger teen audience. This means that to keep mom and dad happy, violence has to be sanitary, horror has to be PC (not Piratecat, but his evil uncle, twice removed, Political Correctness), sex can never be used as a plot device or storyline and so on. CoC, by it's nature appeals to a more mature audience and the "darkness" of the material reflects that. These adventures can all be easily converted to d20, so WotC not doing any adventures or supplements doesn't bother me at all. Now... back OT. I can't speak for the Stormbringer/Melnibone line as I haven't ever used it (I've got enough systems to deal with right now, thank you very much). I'd love to check it out, as I'm a fan of the Eternal Champions series by Moorcock. I get the impression from their website that Chaosium doesn't really have a "harem" of staff writers like WotC and most of their material comes from independant authors (like PC now, I suppose - congrats by the way, just don't let it interfere with my regular story hour fixes :)), which would probably explain a great deal about delays and other problems getting things off to the printer on time etc. etc. It sure do suck, but I think the general high quality (in the Cthulhu line at least) makes up for it. *Seriously! Do you ever see Wizards publishing an adventure where the cultist are so evil, so nasty and so insane that when they decide to kill the investigators they do it with a flesh beast, a montrosity summoned by sewing live children together and dumping boiling flesh on them? It was one of the creepiest and most disturbing things I had read for an RPG (well until I got Delta-Green:Alien Intelligence) and if it disturbed me, it will terrify my players, the blouse-wearing poodle walkers! Disclaimer: All opinions are solely my own, certainly not the desires of whims of the Daemon Sultan Azathoth. Also I generally speak from ignorance as I haven't yet cracked the cover on my d20 CoC book - I bought Delta Green: Countdown and Delta Green: Alien Intelligence and had to finish those first... having done so I'd say that they are essential books for anyone running a modern age d20 CoC campaign (or old school Chaosium rules even). [/QUOTE]
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