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<blockquote data-quote="Bedrockgames" data-source="post: 6866668" data-attributes="member: 85555"><p>I don't mind cliffhangers. Done well, they can be great. Overdone, placed in the wrong spot, they can undermine the drama of the episode. But to me this wasn't an effective one at all. The problem isn't the waiting to find out. It is that the disconnect between Negan's entrance in this episode and the outcome of his actions spans six months. It just kind of nurfed the whole scene. Again, I don't typically care about fidelity to the source material, but when you have a moment as good as issue 100, you don't take the central thing that worked and change it unless the change improves things. Issue 100 worked because your like "who the hell is this cocky a hole...holy crap he just killed (spoiler)!". Now they had to work around that a bit because obviously people kind of knew who Negan was, but they still could have had a Red Wedding moment where the readers and the show fans had slightly different experiences. But by taking out the actual kill, it just lost everything. It isn't that cliffhangers are a problem, it is that there was no real value here in making it a cliff hanger. If a cliffhanger is well done, it can work. The first terminus cliffhanger, definitely worked. It ended in a spot that felt right and made me eager to see what unfolded next season. "How will they get out of this mess?" is a cliffhanger to me "Who did they just kill?" isn't. I think there is a big difference between a "will they survive?" and "what was the trick camera work trying to conceal from us". </p><p></p><p>And I will say it again, I'm usually mr. optimism (just look at most of my previous post on Doctor Who, regardless of the episode). But to me, this was bad on a scale I just haven't seen in decades. And I suspect this is going to be the dominant reaction. If they don't correct it, I believe this will be the point in the show where people point and say this is where it really started to unravel. Personally I really won't be able to stick with it, if this is the kind of storytelling they are going to do in the next season. </p><p></p><p>I just can't justify the ending of the episode. If they had killed Glenn or Daryl (or someone important) and done it in a way that was impactful, I'd be singing the episode's praises, because the lead up was pretty effective I thought. But that ending brought it crashing down for me. My wife was actually surprised because I never get angry after watching a show. I think it was the first time I shouted "BS" when the credits rolled.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Bedrockgames, post: 6866668, member: 85555"] I don't mind cliffhangers. Done well, they can be great. Overdone, placed in the wrong spot, they can undermine the drama of the episode. But to me this wasn't an effective one at all. The problem isn't the waiting to find out. It is that the disconnect between Negan's entrance in this episode and the outcome of his actions spans six months. It just kind of nurfed the whole scene. Again, I don't typically care about fidelity to the source material, but when you have a moment as good as issue 100, you don't take the central thing that worked and change it unless the change improves things. Issue 100 worked because your like "who the hell is this cocky a hole...holy crap he just killed (spoiler)!". Now they had to work around that a bit because obviously people kind of knew who Negan was, but they still could have had a Red Wedding moment where the readers and the show fans had slightly different experiences. But by taking out the actual kill, it just lost everything. It isn't that cliffhangers are a problem, it is that there was no real value here in making it a cliff hanger. If a cliffhanger is well done, it can work. The first terminus cliffhanger, definitely worked. It ended in a spot that felt right and made me eager to see what unfolded next season. "How will they get out of this mess?" is a cliffhanger to me "Who did they just kill?" isn't. I think there is a big difference between a "will they survive?" and "what was the trick camera work trying to conceal from us". And I will say it again, I'm usually mr. optimism (just look at most of my previous post on Doctor Who, regardless of the episode). But to me, this was bad on a scale I just haven't seen in decades. And I suspect this is going to be the dominant reaction. If they don't correct it, I believe this will be the point in the show where people point and say this is where it really started to unravel. Personally I really won't be able to stick with it, if this is the kind of storytelling they are going to do in the next season. I just can't justify the ending of the episode. If they had killed Glenn or Daryl (or someone important) and done it in a way that was impactful, I'd be singing the episode's praises, because the lead up was pretty effective I thought. But that ending brought it crashing down for me. My wife was actually surprised because I never get angry after watching a show. I think it was the first time I shouted "BS" when the credits rolled. [/QUOTE]
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