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<blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 6052318" data-attributes="member: 22779"><p>Meh, it's true. I'll do the same thing for 5e that I did for 2e and 3e - completely ignore all references to the "Great Wheel" and not buy any product that has anything to do with planar elements. Worked for years before, and it will still work. PITA, but, not a huge deal.</p><p></p><p>What bugs me though is why Planescape fans seem to think that this is okay. I mean, if I told you that all orcs (for example) will now be Greyhawk orcs, worship Gruumsh and follow the canon of orcs in Greyhawk, <u>and</u> all official WOTC settings will either be retconned or forced into that same canon, I'd get pilloried. It would never fly. After all, not all settings even have orcs, and several settings make signficant changes to the orcs.</p><p></p><p>But, for some reason, it's perfectly acceptable to do this with planar beings. Shem, even you admit that TSR forced every setting into Planescape. There were several settings that were not part of the Great Wheel but were shoehorned in later. Ravenloft was never part of the Great Wheel. Dragonlance. Eberron I'm sure there are several others. </p><p></p><p>Like was said, I got zero problems with a big, juicy Planescape line of products that stand alone. That's a great idea. But, please, keep your chocolate out of my peanut butter. If I wanted chocolate, I'd ask for it.</p><p></p><p>Repeating the mistakes of the past is not necessarily a good thing. Planescape's pervasiveness was a mistake. IMO of course. </p><p></p><p>So, to turn it around, you have zero problems with Dragonborn or Warforged in Forgotten Realms or Greyhawk? Should be perfectly acceptable after all.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Hussar, post: 6052318, member: 22779"] Meh, it's true. I'll do the same thing for 5e that I did for 2e and 3e - completely ignore all references to the "Great Wheel" and not buy any product that has anything to do with planar elements. Worked for years before, and it will still work. PITA, but, not a huge deal. What bugs me though is why Planescape fans seem to think that this is okay. I mean, if I told you that all orcs (for example) will now be Greyhawk orcs, worship Gruumsh and follow the canon of orcs in Greyhawk, [u]and[/u] all official WOTC settings will either be retconned or forced into that same canon, I'd get pilloried. It would never fly. After all, not all settings even have orcs, and several settings make signficant changes to the orcs. But, for some reason, it's perfectly acceptable to do this with planar beings. Shem, even you admit that TSR forced every setting into Planescape. There were several settings that were not part of the Great Wheel but were shoehorned in later. Ravenloft was never part of the Great Wheel. Dragonlance. Eberron I'm sure there are several others. Like was said, I got zero problems with a big, juicy Planescape line of products that stand alone. That's a great idea. But, please, keep your chocolate out of my peanut butter. If I wanted chocolate, I'd ask for it. Repeating the mistakes of the past is not necessarily a good thing. Planescape's pervasiveness was a mistake. IMO of course. So, to turn it around, you have zero problems with Dragonborn or Warforged in Forgotten Realms or Greyhawk? Should be perfectly acceptable after all. [/QUOTE]
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