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<blockquote data-quote="Andur" data-source="post: 4271370" data-attributes="member: 27898"><p>Umm Boar, sorry if you are mathematically challenged, but 0[W] is a roll, like it or not.</p><p></p><p>I roll 1d8 multiply the result by 0 and then add modifiers, it is a mathematically sound calculation. And in 4e shorthand the expression would be +(Ability) modifier damage.</p><p></p><p>Like I stated above though, it makes literally zero difference with minions (1 point or 100 points they die) and is a slight PC favour for anything else. Since the "purpose" of effects like Cleave is to drop minions, there really is no difference.</p><p></p><p>As far as making sense, if you cleave with a Flaming Weapon which you have activated as a free action, what type of damage does the creature hit with Cleave take? If the answer is Fire, then the enhancement bonus from the weapon also needs to be accounted. To top it off, you can also activate the Daily power of the Flaming weapon on the Cleave hit and then are making a "real" damage roll so then you would have to put all the bonuses you left out initially into the damage.</p><p></p><p>End of the day, you play the game in which makes it fun. About the most I can see getting from adding the modifiers to the Cleave damage is only 30 points anyway without throwing any other powers into the mix. (Like activating a Weapon's Daily as a Free Action)</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Andur, post: 4271370, member: 27898"] Umm Boar, sorry if you are mathematically challenged, but 0[W] is a roll, like it or not. I roll 1d8 multiply the result by 0 and then add modifiers, it is a mathematically sound calculation. And in 4e shorthand the expression would be +(Ability) modifier damage. Like I stated above though, it makes literally zero difference with minions (1 point or 100 points they die) and is a slight PC favour for anything else. Since the "purpose" of effects like Cleave is to drop minions, there really is no difference. As far as making sense, if you cleave with a Flaming Weapon which you have activated as a free action, what type of damage does the creature hit with Cleave take? If the answer is Fire, then the enhancement bonus from the weapon also needs to be accounted. To top it off, you can also activate the Daily power of the Flaming weapon on the Cleave hit and then are making a "real" damage roll so then you would have to put all the bonuses you left out initially into the damage. End of the day, you play the game in which makes it fun. About the most I can see getting from adding the modifiers to the Cleave damage is only 30 points anyway without throwing any other powers into the mix. (Like activating a Weapon's Daily as a Free Action) [/QUOTE]
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