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<blockquote data-quote="aramis erak" data-source="post: 8695132" data-attributes="member: 6779310"><p>Dune is a very weak influence in Traveller. </p><p></p><p>Dune's biggest element isn't the Empire nor its construction - it's the hydraulic despotism, a function which is utterly absent in Traveller and which isn't readily apparent in Coriolis. The Traveller Imperium explicitly owes a lot to the elements of Asimov's Foundation series, and Niven's Mote in God's Eye (part of the CoDo Verse series.</p><p></p><p>Dune also doesn't look like a big influence in Coriolis - at least, not in its big strokes. Dune is, largely, dominated by the hydraulic despotism element - "he who can destroy a thing controls a thing." The Dune setting's Imperium is quite different, actually, from the OTU one. All of the tropes of it in Traveller are also in the Imperium of Niven's end of the CoDoVerse; Most of them also exist in Asimov's Foundation. And in a few others, as well. </p><p></p><p>Traveller's key tropes - </p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">an Imperium, ruled by an elected Emperor, who appoints all the nobles. (Not from Dune. That's Niven)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">No communication faster than ships. (Dune and the CoDo both have this)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">FTL travel takes significant time. (Foundation and Codo, but Not Dune)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Merchant captain-owners plying the spacelanes in independently FTL capable ships (Not in Herbert until Chapterhouse, but is in Foundation, OS Card, CJ Cherryh)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Main characters/PCs are in their second career or later (largely untrue for Dune, not really strong in the other works I've read of Herbert's, but very interestingly, part of Niven's, Heinlein's, and Doc Smith's main characters in a variety of their works).</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Prison Planets (Straight out of the CoDo)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Local authority (Card's Enderverse, Foundation, CoDo Verse, weakly so in Dune)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">slughthrowers in space. </li> </ul><p>It is also worth noting - none of the exemplar major literary characters are from dune.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="aramis erak, post: 8695132, member: 6779310"] Dune is a very weak influence in Traveller. Dune's biggest element isn't the Empire nor its construction - it's the hydraulic despotism, a function which is utterly absent in Traveller and which isn't readily apparent in Coriolis. The Traveller Imperium explicitly owes a lot to the elements of Asimov's Foundation series, and Niven's Mote in God's Eye (part of the CoDo Verse series. Dune also doesn't look like a big influence in Coriolis - at least, not in its big strokes. Dune is, largely, dominated by the hydraulic despotism element - "he who can destroy a thing controls a thing." The Dune setting's Imperium is quite different, actually, from the OTU one. All of the tropes of it in Traveller are also in the Imperium of Niven's end of the CoDoVerse; Most of them also exist in Asimov's Foundation. And in a few others, as well. Traveller's key tropes - [LIST] [*]an Imperium, ruled by an elected Emperor, who appoints all the nobles. (Not from Dune. That's Niven) [*]No communication faster than ships. (Dune and the CoDo both have this) [*]FTL travel takes significant time. (Foundation and Codo, but Not Dune) [*]Merchant captain-owners plying the spacelanes in independently FTL capable ships (Not in Herbert until Chapterhouse, but is in Foundation, OS Card, CJ Cherryh) [*]Main characters/PCs are in their second career or later (largely untrue for Dune, not really strong in the other works I've read of Herbert's, but very interestingly, part of Niven's, Heinlein's, and Doc Smith's main characters in a variety of their works). [*]Prison Planets (Straight out of the CoDo) [*]Local authority (Card's Enderverse, Foundation, CoDo Verse, weakly so in Dune) [*]slughthrowers in space. [/LIST] It is also worth noting - none of the exemplar major literary characters are from dune. [/QUOTE]
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