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<blockquote data-quote="Agback" data-source="post: 1239012" data-attributes="member: 5328"><p>Yes. But a lot of Athenian philosophers who are now considered intellectual giants wished to emulate it too. Which just goes to show that brutality is not confined to brutes. And remind us that neanderthals had larger brains than you Cro-Magnon lot.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Indeed not. The Athenians jeered at Spartan ignorance and stupidity, but probably because the Spartans lacked the background and specific nurture to develop their intellects, rather than because the inherently clever had been selectively killed. The Spartans certain had some canny generals, and ones who were charismatic enough to raise armies from among the locals as they advanced through friendly/neutral territory. Consider the career of Gylippos.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>That seems right, yes.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Remember the story about the boy with the fox inside his cloak. And recall that some boys are recorded to have been flogged to death in the festival of Artemis of the Brazen House. Although the Spartans probably didn't purposely kill many boys in training, there was probably s significant mortality.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Consider that these might get a different training: just as austere, but perhaps not as <em>physically</em> strenuous.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>The policy in your fictitious state might not be so one-sided. The Spartans might perhaps have trained wizards and bards if D&D magic had been available to them.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>To make them good at foraging for food in the field on campaign. Perhaps a level of Ranger?</p><p></p><p>I think that the big thing should be that the full citizens be fighters rather than warriors or aristocrats. That ought to come out as a considerable advantage in the field.</p><p></p><p>Regards,</p><p></p><p></p><p>Agback</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Agback, post: 1239012, member: 5328"] Yes. But a lot of Athenian philosophers who are now considered intellectual giants wished to emulate it too. Which just goes to show that brutality is not confined to brutes. And remind us that neanderthals had larger brains than you Cro-Magnon lot. Indeed not. The Athenians jeered at Spartan ignorance and stupidity, but probably because the Spartans lacked the background and specific nurture to develop their intellects, rather than because the inherently clever had been selectively killed. The Spartans certain had some canny generals, and ones who were charismatic enough to raise armies from among the locals as they advanced through friendly/neutral territory. Consider the career of Gylippos. That seems right, yes. Remember the story about the boy with the fox inside his cloak. And recall that some boys are recorded to have been flogged to death in the festival of Artemis of the Brazen House. Although the Spartans probably didn't purposely kill many boys in training, there was probably s significant mortality. Consider that these might get a different training: just as austere, but perhaps not as [i]physically[/i] strenuous. The policy in your fictitious state might not be so one-sided. The Spartans might perhaps have trained wizards and bards if D&D magic had been available to them. To make them good at foraging for food in the field on campaign. Perhaps a level of Ranger? I think that the big thing should be that the full citizens be fighters rather than warriors or aristocrats. That ought to come out as a considerable advantage in the field. Regards, Agback [/QUOTE]
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