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<blockquote data-quote="Cleon" data-source="post: 8955983" data-attributes="member: 57383"><p>Updating the <strong><a href="https://enworld.org/index.php?posts/8006632" target="_blank">Weredragon (True Drakanthrope) Working Draft</a></strong>.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Well that's one reason I wanted to run some test cases before we sign off on this section.</p><p></p><p>The current rough draft just copies the Lycanthrope template's "may also gain ability scores increases by virtue of its extra Hit Dice".</p><p></p><p>If we have ability scores based on age categories we'll want to drop that, although I still think we might want to add some sort of size adjustment.</p><p></p><p>As mentioned previously, my main worry is Giant Weredragons would get extreme stats if we used the standard stat -10/-11 approach:</p><p></p><p><strong>Human* Wyrmling Red Weredragon:</strong> Str 21**, Dex 11, Con 16, Int 12, Wis 11, Cha 10</p><p><strong>Human* Adult Red Weredragon:</strong> Str 24, Dex 11, Con 22, Int 16, Wis 17, Cha 14</p><p><strong>Human* Great Wyrm Red Weredragon:</strong> Str 47, Dex 11, Con 32, Int 26, Wis 25, Cha 24</p><p></p><p><strong>Fire Giant Wyrmling Red Weredragon:</strong> Str 39**, Dex 9, Con 27, Int 12, Wis 16, Cha 13</p><p><strong>Fire Giant Adult Red Weredragon:</strong> Str 53, Dex 9, Con 31, Int 16, Wis 23, Cha 17</p><p><strong>Fire Giant Great Wyrm Red Weredragon:</strong> Str 65, Dex 9, Con 41, Int 26, Wis 31, Cha 27</p><p></p><p>*Uses standard Human Warrior base abilities of Str 13, Dex 11, Con 12, Int 10, Wis 9, Cha 8.</p><p>*Uses Weredragon's minimum +8 Strength adjustment instead of Wyrmling Red Dragon's +6 adjustment.</p><p></p><p>Hmm, perhaps we could use the Lycanthrope template's -10/11 approach but place a cap on the age category equal derived from the base dragon's Level Adjustment?</p><p></p><p>For example, a Black Dragon has <strong>Level Adjustment:</strong> Wyrmling +3; very young +3; young +3; juvenile +4; others — meaning a Black Dragon PC cannot advance beyond Juvenile.</p><p></p><p>So perhaps a Black Weredragon's base dragon can only go up to Juvenile as well. A Juvenile Black Dragon is Str 17, Dex 10, Con 15, Int 10, Wis 11, Cha 10, giving the Drakanthrope ability modifiers of Str +8*, Dex +0, Don +4, Int +2*, Wis +2*, Cha +2* allowing for the Weredragon template's minimums.</p><p></p><p>Compariwise, a Gold Dragon has LA Wyrmling +4; very young +5; young +6; others — and a Young Gold Dragon is Str 25, Dex 10, Con 17, Int 16, Wis 17, Cha 16, so a Gold Weredragon would top off at Str +14, Dex +0, Con +6, Int +6, Wis +6, Cha +6 if we adopt that approach.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Cleon, post: 8955983, member: 57383"] Updating the [B][URL='https://enworld.org/index.php?posts/8006632']Weredragon (True Drakanthrope) Working Draft[/URL][/B]. Well that's one reason I wanted to run some test cases before we sign off on this section. The current rough draft just copies the Lycanthrope template's "may also gain ability scores increases by virtue of its extra Hit Dice". If we have ability scores based on age categories we'll want to drop that, although I still think we might want to add some sort of size adjustment. As mentioned previously, my main worry is Giant Weredragons would get extreme stats if we used the standard stat -10/-11 approach: [B]Human* Wyrmling Red Weredragon:[/B] Str 21**, Dex 11, Con 16, Int 12, Wis 11, Cha 10 [B]Human* Adult Red Weredragon:[/B] Str 24, Dex 11, Con 22, Int 16, Wis 17, Cha 14 [B]Human* Great Wyrm Red Weredragon:[/B] Str 47, Dex 11, Con 32, Int 26, Wis 25, Cha 24 [B]Fire Giant Wyrmling Red Weredragon:[/B] Str 39**, Dex 9, Con 27, Int 12, Wis 16, Cha 13 [B]Fire Giant Adult Red Weredragon:[/B] Str 53, Dex 9, Con 31, Int 16, Wis 23, Cha 17 [B]Fire Giant Great Wyrm Red Weredragon:[/B] Str 65, Dex 9, Con 41, Int 26, Wis 31, Cha 27 *Uses standard Human Warrior base abilities of Str 13, Dex 11, Con 12, Int 10, Wis 9, Cha 8. *Uses Weredragon's minimum +8 Strength adjustment instead of Wyrmling Red Dragon's +6 adjustment. Hmm, perhaps we could use the Lycanthrope template's -10/11 approach but place a cap on the age category equal derived from the base dragon's Level Adjustment? For example, a Black Dragon has [B]Level Adjustment:[/B] Wyrmling +3; very young +3; young +3; juvenile +4; others — meaning a Black Dragon PC cannot advance beyond Juvenile. So perhaps a Black Weredragon's base dragon can only go up to Juvenile as well. A Juvenile Black Dragon is Str 17, Dex 10, Con 15, Int 10, Wis 11, Cha 10, giving the Drakanthrope ability modifiers of Str +8*, Dex +0, Don +4, Int +2*, Wis +2*, Cha +2* allowing for the Weredragon template's minimums. Compariwise, a Gold Dragon has LA Wyrmling +4; very young +5; young +6; others — and a Young Gold Dragon is Str 25, Dex 10, Con 17, Int 16, Wis 17, Cha 16, so a Gold Weredragon would top off at Str +14, Dex +0, Con +6, Int +6, Wis +6, Cha +6 if we adopt that approach. [/QUOTE]
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