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<blockquote data-quote="Cleon" data-source="post: 9192618" data-attributes="member: 57383"><p>Actually, it doesn't, the "If the dragon form is larger" bit is completely ass-backwards.</p><p></p><p>It should be:</p><p></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><strong>Abilities:</strong> A weredragon's mental ability scores improve according to its kind. These adjustments are equal to the base dragon's normal ability scores –10 or –11 or +2 Intelligence, +2 Wisdom and +2 Charisma, whichever is higher.</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px">When it assumes dragon form, a weredragon's physical ability scores also improve. <span style="color: magenta">When in its default size, the base adjustments are equal to the base dragon's wyrmling ability scores –10 or –11. If the ability improvement would be less than +8 Strength and +2 Constitution, the weredragon gains those adjustments instead. If the weredragon assumes a dragon form smaller than its default size, the hybrid form's Strength and natural armor bonus are reduced according to the <strong>Table: Changes to Statistics by Size in Dragon & Hybrid Form</strong></span>. A weredragon in hybrid form modifies its physical ability scores by the same amount.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Agree about "showing all the work" for the examples by including the base creature form and the mental abilities. So we're talking:</p><p style="margin-left: 20px"></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><em>Example One:</em> A wyrmling bronze dragon is a Small dragon with Str 13, Dex 10, Con 13, Int 14, Wis 15, Cha 14 and +5 natural armor bonus; applying –10 or –11 comes to ability improvements of Str +8, Dex +0, Con +2, Int +4, Wis +4, Cha +4 for a wyrmling bronze weredragon (note its Strength adjustment uses the true drakanathrope minimum of +8, not the Str +2 derived from Str 13 minus 10 or 11). A dwarf warrior is a Medium humanoid with Str 13, Dex 11, Con 14, Int 10, Wis 9, Cha 6. Therefore, in humanoid form a wyrmling bronze weredragon dwarf has Str 13, Dex 11, Con 14, Int 14, Wis 13, Cha 10 and NA +2. In default dragon form, the dwarf weredragon is a Medium creature with Str 21, Dex 11, Con 16, Int 14, Wis 13, Cha 10 and NA +5. If its dragon or hybrid form reduces in size to Small it has Str 17, Dex 11, Con 16, Int 14, Wis 13, Cha 10. </p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><em>Example Two:</em> A wyrmling red dragon is a Medium dragon with Str 17, Dex 10, Con 15, Int 10, Wis 11, Cha 10 and +6 natural armor bonus; applying –10 or –11 and a weredragon's minimum ability improvements gives it Str +8, Dex +0, Con +4, Int +2, Wis +2, Cha +2 for a wyrmling red weredragon (note that only its Constitution adjustment is better than the true drakanathrope minimum of +2). A fire giant is a Large giant with Str 31, Dex 9, Con 21, Int 10, Wis 14, Cha 11 and +8 natural armor. Therefore, in giant form a wyrmling red weredragon fire giant has Str 31, Dex 9, Con 21, Int 12, Wis 16, Cha 13 and NA +10. In default dragon form the fire giant weredragon is a Large creature with Str 38, Dex 9, Con 23, Int 12, Wis 16, Cha 13 and NA +14. If its dragon or hybrid form reduces in size to Medium it has Str 30, Dex 9, Con 23 and NA +12.</p><p></p><p>Writing the above, I realized we'd better update the Armor Class section as well.</p><p></p><p>How about:</p><p></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><strong>Armor Class:</strong> Weredragons have their natural bonus increase by +2 in humanoid or giant form. In dragon form, a weredragon in its default size has a natural armor bonus equal to the base dragon's natural armor plus the base creature's natural armor or a +5 natural armor bonus, whichever is higher. In hybrid form, a weredragon's natural armor bonus is equal to that of its base creature form or dragon form, whichever is better.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Cleon, post: 9192618, member: 57383"] Actually, it doesn't, the "If the dragon form is larger" bit is completely ass-backwards. It should be: [indent][B]Abilities:[/B] A weredragon's mental ability scores improve according to its kind. These adjustments are equal to the base dragon's normal ability scores –10 or –11 or +2 Intelligence, +2 Wisdom and +2 Charisma, whichever is higher. When it assumes dragon form, a weredragon's physical ability scores also improve. [color=magenta]When in its default size, the base adjustments are equal to the base dragon's wyrmling ability scores –10 or –11. If the ability improvement would be less than +8 Strength and +2 Constitution, the weredragon gains those adjustments instead. If the weredragon assumes a dragon form smaller than its default size, the hybrid form's Strength and natural armor bonus are reduced according to the [B]Table: Changes to Statistics by Size in Dragon & Hybrid Form[/B][/color]. A weredragon in hybrid form modifies its physical ability scores by the same amount.[/indent] Agree about "showing all the work" for the examples by including the base creature form and the mental abilities. So we're talking: [indent] [I]Example One:[/I] A wyrmling bronze dragon is a Small dragon with Str 13, Dex 10, Con 13, Int 14, Wis 15, Cha 14 and +5 natural armor bonus; applying –10 or –11 comes to ability improvements of Str +8, Dex +0, Con +2, Int +4, Wis +4, Cha +4 for a wyrmling bronze weredragon (note its Strength adjustment uses the true drakanathrope minimum of +8, not the Str +2 derived from Str 13 minus 10 or 11). A dwarf warrior is a Medium humanoid with Str 13, Dex 11, Con 14, Int 10, Wis 9, Cha 6. Therefore, in humanoid form a wyrmling bronze weredragon dwarf has Str 13, Dex 11, Con 14, Int 14, Wis 13, Cha 10 and NA +2. In default dragon form, the dwarf weredragon is a Medium creature with Str 21, Dex 11, Con 16, Int 14, Wis 13, Cha 10 and NA +5. If its dragon or hybrid form reduces in size to Small it has Str 17, Dex 11, Con 16, Int 14, Wis 13, Cha 10. [I]Example Two:[/I] A wyrmling red dragon is a Medium dragon with Str 17, Dex 10, Con 15, Int 10, Wis 11, Cha 10 and +6 natural armor bonus; applying –10 or –11 and a weredragon's minimum ability improvements gives it Str +8, Dex +0, Con +4, Int +2, Wis +2, Cha +2 for a wyrmling red weredragon (note that only its Constitution adjustment is better than the true drakanathrope minimum of +2). A fire giant is a Large giant with Str 31, Dex 9, Con 21, Int 10, Wis 14, Cha 11 and +8 natural armor. Therefore, in giant form a wyrmling red weredragon fire giant has Str 31, Dex 9, Con 21, Int 12, Wis 16, Cha 13 and NA +10. In default dragon form the fire giant weredragon is a Large creature with Str 38, Dex 9, Con 23, Int 12, Wis 16, Cha 13 and NA +14. If its dragon or hybrid form reduces in size to Medium it has Str 30, Dex 9, Con 23 and NA +12.[/INDENT] Writing the above, I realized we'd better update the Armor Class section as well. How about: [INDENT][B]Armor Class:[/B] Weredragons have their natural bonus increase by +2 in humanoid or giant form. In dragon form, a weredragon in its default size has a natural armor bonus equal to the base dragon's natural armor plus the base creature's natural armor or a +5 natural armor bonus, whichever is higher. In hybrid form, a weredragon's natural armor bonus is equal to that of its base creature form or dragon form, whichever is better.[/INDENT] [/QUOTE]
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