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<blockquote data-quote="Caliburn101" data-source="post: 7024031" data-attributes="member: 6802178"><p>It was indeed a mechanical departure on most levels and in some of them, massively so. There is little useful purpose served by getting into counterpoint with this I think - it is in my opinion <em>entirely</em> self evident.</p><p></p><p>On your second claim - you make it clear you have to imagine what the past editions of D&D were played like back then. I don't have to use that, merely my memory, so when I look holistically at the various editions it is from long experience of playing them.</p><p></p><p>TotM was always the most popular/played form of the game. I've played more games than I can count, been to more conventions than I can list off the cuff and been a member of various clubs with multiple games over the decades. Miniatures were only so prevalent with 4th Edition as to constitute a majority if the games run.</p><p></p><p>I was not criticising 4th Edition as a game. I was pointing out that it was a departure and played differently as a result. To claim it was a next logical next step from 3rd Edition flies in the face of the evidence of the success of Pathfinder and the unprecedented split in the D&D gaming community that occurred - including I might say the current opinion of WotC themselves.</p><p></p><p>If you see this differently then by all means show us the evidence - whether it be a sufficient number (by proportion to the whole) of like-for-like rules, or a indicative sample of games through the years that shows that miniatures were used as commonly as you indicate.</p><p></p><p>In my experience, TotM was for 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 5th by far the most common way to play the game.</p><p></p><p>I never played in the USA - so maybe it was different there, but I remain to be convinced.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Caliburn101, post: 7024031, member: 6802178"] It was indeed a mechanical departure on most levels and in some of them, massively so. There is little useful purpose served by getting into counterpoint with this I think - it is in my opinion [I]entirely[/I] self evident. On your second claim - you make it clear you have to imagine what the past editions of D&D were played like back then. I don't have to use that, merely my memory, so when I look holistically at the various editions it is from long experience of playing them. TotM was always the most popular/played form of the game. I've played more games than I can count, been to more conventions than I can list off the cuff and been a member of various clubs with multiple games over the decades. Miniatures were only so prevalent with 4th Edition as to constitute a majority if the games run. I was not criticising 4th Edition as a game. I was pointing out that it was a departure and played differently as a result. To claim it was a next logical next step from 3rd Edition flies in the face of the evidence of the success of Pathfinder and the unprecedented split in the D&D gaming community that occurred - including I might say the current opinion of WotC themselves. If you see this differently then by all means show us the evidence - whether it be a sufficient number (by proportion to the whole) of like-for-like rules, or a indicative sample of games through the years that shows that miniatures were used as commonly as you indicate. In my experience, TotM was for 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 5th by far the most common way to play the game. I never played in the USA - so maybe it was different there, but I remain to be convinced. [/QUOTE]
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