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<blockquote data-quote="Umbran" data-source="post: 6259348" data-attributes="member: 177"><p>Rendering is required to cross the simulation/non-simulation boundary.</p><p></p><p>We don't have a robot within a real space, taking in data and having some gaps in how we model the real world in his computer brain. Nor do we have a computer world being displayed for a human being. If we are positing the Universe is a simulation, then so far as we know, the space and everything within the space is also part of the model. If the Universe is a simulation, you, I, and everything in it are part of the simulation. </p><p></p><p>As a part of the simulation, I don't need it to be rendered to interact with it. My interactions are *part* of the situation.</p><p></p><p>Heck, if the Universe is a simulation, you'd kind of expect the bits of it that are supposed to be "sentient" to not recognize the fact - "Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!" </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>You could, but... wouldn't that be kind of silly and pointless? Let us take a game designed to entertain humans, and instead let it occupy a machine incapable of feeling entertained! While any number of government grants get spent that way, I'm sure, isn't someone capable of consistently simulating an entire universe have something better to do with it's time? What the heck kind of robot are you trying to train using an entire universe? </p><p></p><p>The problem with Philosophical models of the universe is just this - you can go down incredibly deep ratholes of what *might* be true, with absolutely no real way to resolve questions. Anything at all *might* be true, if you invoke such non-falsifiable forces to make things go.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Umbran, post: 6259348, member: 177"] Rendering is required to cross the simulation/non-simulation boundary. We don't have a robot within a real space, taking in data and having some gaps in how we model the real world in his computer brain. Nor do we have a computer world being displayed for a human being. If we are positing the Universe is a simulation, then so far as we know, the space and everything within the space is also part of the model. If the Universe is a simulation, you, I, and everything in it are part of the simulation. As a part of the simulation, I don't need it to be rendered to interact with it. My interactions are *part* of the situation. Heck, if the Universe is a simulation, you'd kind of expect the bits of it that are supposed to be "sentient" to not recognize the fact - "Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!" You could, but... wouldn't that be kind of silly and pointless? Let us take a game designed to entertain humans, and instead let it occupy a machine incapable of feeling entertained! While any number of government grants get spent that way, I'm sure, isn't someone capable of consistently simulating an entire universe have something better to do with it's time? What the heck kind of robot are you trying to train using an entire universe? The problem with Philosophical models of the universe is just this - you can go down incredibly deep ratholes of what *might* be true, with absolutely no real way to resolve questions. Anything at all *might* be true, if you invoke such non-falsifiable forces to make things go. [/QUOTE]
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