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<blockquote data-quote="jgsugden" data-source="post: 8967639" data-attributes="member: 2629"><p>There are few <em>high level</em> spellcasters, but a lot of lower level spellcasters in most communities, tribes, etc... It was a huge adjustment to account for concnetration when adapting these spells. They date back to the 80s and 90s and cover editions from AD&D to present.</p><p></p><p>It can be done as a reaction or as part of any other reaction related to a spell.</p></blockquote><p>If not, I can certainly see how that gamble offsets the value of the spell and balances it well. I give characters a chance to recognize the spell being cast to decide if they want to cast <em>counterspell </em>or not.[/quote]The "gamble" remains, but it isn't where you're indicating - it is in whether the spells you'll face that day can be deflected. If not, and you prepare deflection rather than counterspell ... bad news. Not automatically, but there is an arcana role to figure it out. I like it when the monsters/NPCs get nailed by their own fireball/etc... this way. It is evocative and makes the heroes feel like big dang heroes that did something cool. I play it up as frustrating because it makes it sweeter for the players, but it is super cool to see these things work in the hands of PCs - and again, the number of NPCs using them is limited - but put in the hands of PCs designed to be spell battlers.</p><p></p><p>In my experience, the 4th level version fo the spell is often a waste because nobody attempts to cast the spell. At 6th level, it is a big enough expenditure of resources that it is far from a problem - and very rarely is any better than a counterspell cast at the same level because people do not often try to cast the same spell over and over - and if tey do, it is rare tat you correctly anticipate it. No problem - I can understand the perspectives, but I highly advise trying out the ideas yourself in some mocked up dungeon delving. You'll see that a.) It is hard to fit them into prepared spells, b.) they all have some drawbacks that are bigger than you anticipate, and c.) nothing here is problematic. There are castings of these spells that give PCs a big success - but that is true of any spell worth casting. With these, there are also situations in which they are an utter waste of your reaction, slot and/or prepared spell.</p><p>[/QUOTE]</p>
[QUOTE="jgsugden, post: 8967639, member: 2629"] There are few [I]high level[/I] spellcasters, but a lot of lower level spellcasters in most communities, tribes, etc... It was a huge adjustment to account for concnetration when adapting these spells. They date back to the 80s and 90s and cover editions from AD&D to present. It can be done as a reaction or as part of any other reaction related to a spell.[/quote]If not, I can certainly see how that gamble offsets the value of the spell and balances it well. I give characters a chance to recognize the spell being cast to decide if they want to cast [I]counterspell [/I]or not.[/quote]The "gamble" remains, but it isn't where you're indicating - it is in whether the spells you'll face that day can be deflected. If not, and you prepare deflection rather than counterspell ... bad news. Not automatically, but there is an arcana role to figure it out. I like it when the monsters/NPCs get nailed by their own fireball/etc... this way. It is evocative and makes the heroes feel like big dang heroes that did something cool. I play it up as frustrating because it makes it sweeter for the players, but it is super cool to see these things work in the hands of PCs - and again, the number of NPCs using them is limited - but put in the hands of PCs designed to be spell battlers. In my experience, the 4th level version fo the spell is often a waste because nobody attempts to cast the spell. At 6th level, it is a big enough expenditure of resources that it is far from a problem - and very rarely is any better than a counterspell cast at the same level because people do not often try to cast the same spell over and over - and if tey do, it is rare tat you correctly anticipate it. No problem - I can understand the perspectives, but I highly advise trying out the ideas yourself in some mocked up dungeon delving. You'll see that a.) It is hard to fit them into prepared spells, b.) they all have some drawbacks that are bigger than you anticipate, and c.) nothing here is problematic. There are castings of these spells that give PCs a big success - but that is true of any spell worth casting. With these, there are also situations in which they are an utter waste of your reaction, slot and/or prepared spell. [/QUOTE]
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