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Spell that makes a summoned creature "permanent"
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<blockquote data-quote="LightPhoenix" data-source="post: 1305170" data-attributes="member: 115"><p>Personally I think <em>Create Food & Water</em> is a little underpowered for a third level spell anyway. You could just house rule it as a 1st or 2nd level spell for the purposes of your campaign.</p><p> </p><p>What size city are we talking about here? More importantly, what type of campaign are you looking to run, magic-wise? You're going to hit a barrier with spellcasters as far as how much they're going to be able to provide. Even so, it sets a precedent for a high-magic setting regardless of your preference. After all, if they rely on spells for food and water daily, why not other things as well?</p><p> </p><p>Take a large town, according to the DMG (2000-5000 people). Your highest level Cleric is 9th (the only class capable of casting <em>CF&W</em>). That's one 9th-level, 2 5th, 4 3rd, and 8 1st (again, going by DMG). That's only 5 to possibly 8 <em>CF&W</em> castings per day (3+1+1, plus 1 each for a 16+ Wisdom). Assuming 8 castings, that's only 24 people fed. </p><p> </p><p>Assuming <em>CF&W</em> is 2nd level (or an equivalent spell), that's still only 12-19 castings. Assuming it's 1st (or equivalent) that's 24-39 castings. Not <em>nearly</em> enough to account for a large town. Wands are straight out - aside from cost issues, the cost/benefit ratio is way too low.</p><p> </p><p>The same applies to <em>Summon Monster I</em> if you use that to create food - 24-39 castings a day is pitifully low for any town. Assuming you summon something that can feed 10 people in a day. That's still only 390 people fed daily at most. And that's not even taking into account casting a second spell to make the corpse stay - that reduces you to 190 people fed per day!</p><p> </p><p>So realistically (or as realistically as possible, given we're talking about magic) using magic as a source of food just doesn't work at all for all but the smallest towns, which would have to have a disproportionate number of clerics or wizards (depending on what route you take) to feed people.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="LightPhoenix, post: 1305170, member: 115"] Personally I think [i]Create Food & Water[/i] is a little underpowered for a third level spell anyway. You could just house rule it as a 1st or 2nd level spell for the purposes of your campaign. What size city are we talking about here? More importantly, what type of campaign are you looking to run, magic-wise? You're going to hit a barrier with spellcasters as far as how much they're going to be able to provide. Even so, it sets a precedent for a high-magic setting regardless of your preference. After all, if they rely on spells for food and water daily, why not other things as well? Take a large town, according to the DMG (2000-5000 people). Your highest level Cleric is 9th (the only class capable of casting [i]CF&W[/i]). That's one 9th-level, 2 5th, 4 3rd, and 8 1st (again, going by DMG). That's only 5 to possibly 8 [i]CF&W[/i] castings per day (3+1+1, plus 1 each for a 16+ Wisdom). Assuming 8 castings, that's only 24 people fed. Assuming [i]CF&W[/i] is 2nd level (or an equivalent spell), that's still only 12-19 castings. Assuming it's 1st (or equivalent) that's 24-39 castings. Not [i]nearly[/i] enough to account for a large town. Wands are straight out - aside from cost issues, the cost/benefit ratio is way too low. The same applies to [i]Summon Monster I[/i] if you use that to create food - 24-39 castings a day is pitifully low for any town. Assuming you summon something that can feed 10 people in a day. That's still only 390 people fed daily at most. And that's not even taking into account casting a second spell to make the corpse stay - that reduces you to 190 people fed per day! So realistically (or as realistically as possible, given we're talking about magic) using magic as a source of food just doesn't work at all for all but the smallest towns, which would have to have a disproportionate number of clerics or wizards (depending on what route you take) to feed people. [/QUOTE]
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