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<blockquote data-quote="Hawk Diesel" data-source="post: 7122009" data-attributes="member: 59848"><p>Fair point, but I would argue initiative is a special rule that falls outside of normal use of what an ability check is supposed to be.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I would also argue opposed checks are different. An easy comparison would be attack rolls vs AC. The Attacker uses and action, while the defender is technically taking 10 on a passive AC check. Defenders don't require an action to defend themselves unless they take the Dodge action.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>This is probably the best counter example to my argument, especially as it deals specifically with use of saving throws as actions in spells. I was actually going to ask if there were examples of:</p><p></p><p>A) Saving throws requiring an action on the part of the target, or </p><p></p><p>B) Spells requiring ability checks not tied to a skill to resist the spell.</p><p></p><p>I truly could not think of any examples from the PHB, but I assumed if they existed they were likely to be uncommon.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Hawk Diesel, post: 7122009, member: 59848"] Fair point, but I would argue initiative is a special rule that falls outside of normal use of what an ability check is supposed to be. I would also argue opposed checks are different. An easy comparison would be attack rolls vs AC. The Attacker uses and action, while the defender is technically taking 10 on a passive AC check. Defenders don't require an action to defend themselves unless they take the Dodge action. This is probably the best counter example to my argument, especially as it deals specifically with use of saving throws as actions in spells. I was actually going to ask if there were examples of: A) Saving throws requiring an action on the part of the target, or B) Spells requiring ability checks not tied to a skill to resist the spell. I truly could not think of any examples from the PHB, but I assumed if they existed they were likely to be uncommon. [/QUOTE]
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