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<blockquote data-quote="doctorbadwolf" data-source="post: 8390304" data-attributes="member: 6704184"><p>And one in which seeking treatment is treated as a weakness.</p><p></p><p>And, if you'll recall what I said, it was that in the first couple movies it's not really a fair criticism. Eventually it becomes outright hard to believe that those around him haven't been trying to get him into treatment. Like, it's not like they show Pepper trying and Tony refusing or simply failing to follow through, they just act like everyone around him would just...not try? I think maybe we shouldn't try to get too nitpicky about real world particulars, here. The story simply doesn't make sense if we do. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Yeah, they have slowly moved toward the comics over time in the MCU, in terms of who and what Thor and Loki really are. Ragnarok is <em>definitely</em> not all science. Odin is dead, and speaks to Thor from death. They're supernatural beings, not just aliens with advanced tech.</p><p></p><p>Yeah tbh I think Wasp is the only Ultimates team member I actually like in The Ultimates. Ultimates Cap is...just terrible. A complete 180 from nearly any other Cap ever written. Thor is just kindof a dumb arrogant jerk. etc. </p><p></p><p>But! That universe is chock full of really good character <em>premises</em>, which they used well in the MCU early on, especially in the first Thor movie. The whole thing where Loki pretends to be Thor's very mortal brother and convinces people that Thor is just a crazy metahuman is very good. I kinda wish they'd done more with that in the MCU, but the nods to it are very cool.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="doctorbadwolf, post: 8390304, member: 6704184"] And one in which seeking treatment is treated as a weakness. And, if you'll recall what I said, it was that in the first couple movies it's not really a fair criticism. Eventually it becomes outright hard to believe that those around him haven't been trying to get him into treatment. Like, it's not like they show Pepper trying and Tony refusing or simply failing to follow through, they just act like everyone around him would just...not try? I think maybe we shouldn't try to get too nitpicky about real world particulars, here. The story simply doesn't make sense if we do. Yeah, they have slowly moved toward the comics over time in the MCU, in terms of who and what Thor and Loki really are. Ragnarok is [I]definitely[/I] not all science. Odin is dead, and speaks to Thor from death. They're supernatural beings, not just aliens with advanced tech. Yeah tbh I think Wasp is the only Ultimates team member I actually like in The Ultimates. Ultimates Cap is...just terrible. A complete 180 from nearly any other Cap ever written. Thor is just kindof a dumb arrogant jerk. etc. But! That universe is chock full of really good character [I]premises[/I], which they used well in the MCU early on, especially in the first Thor movie. The whole thing where Loki pretends to be Thor's very mortal brother and convinces people that Thor is just a crazy metahuman is very good. I kinda wish they'd done more with that in the MCU, but the nods to it are very cool. [/QUOTE]
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