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Spontaneous casters using higher level slots to cast lower level spells
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<blockquote data-quote="Lord Pendragon" data-source="post: 1391282" data-attributes="member: 707"><p>Why are bards barred from doing so? I don't remember anything in the bard description that says they cannot. Indeed, I believe the bard description references the sorcerer description...</p><p></p><p>It's important to note that a lower-level spell placed in a higher-level slot does <em>not</em> have a higher save DC. It still uses the lower-level save DC (of the slot it should have gone in,) unless you use Heighten Spell on it. Spunkie already mentioned this, but Newbie's response makes me think it might still be unclear.</p><p></p><p>Example: If a sorcerer casts <em>Sleep</em> using a 9th-level slot, the save DC is still 11+cha bonus, because the spell is still only a 1st-level spell, even if you use a 9th-level slot. If the sorcerer <em>Heightens</em> the <em>Sleep</em> to 9th-level, then the save DC becomes 19+cha bonus, and, as Spunky said, penetrates a <em>Globe of Invulnerability</em> because it is now a 9th-level spell in a 9th-level slot.</p><p></p><p>Sorry if this was unnecessary, but it seemed like it might be. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Lord Pendragon, post: 1391282, member: 707"] Why are bards barred from doing so? I don't remember anything in the bard description that says they cannot. Indeed, I believe the bard description references the sorcerer description... It's important to note that a lower-level spell placed in a higher-level slot does [i]not[/i] have a higher save DC. It still uses the lower-level save DC (of the slot it should have gone in,) unless you use Heighten Spell on it. Spunkie already mentioned this, but Newbie's response makes me think it might still be unclear. Example: If a sorcerer casts [i]Sleep[/i] using a 9th-level slot, the save DC is still 11+cha bonus, because the spell is still only a 1st-level spell, even if you use a 9th-level slot. If the sorcerer [i]Heightens[/i] the [i]Sleep[/i] to 9th-level, then the save DC becomes 19+cha bonus, and, as Spunky said, penetrates a [i]Globe of Invulnerability[/i] because it is now a 9th-level spell in a 9th-level slot. Sorry if this was unnecessary, but it seemed like it might be. :) [/QUOTE]
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